Anyone hear these...ELAC debut B6?

K_MK_M Posts: 786
http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-bookshelf-speakers/


https://www.stereophile.com/content/elac-debut-b6-loudspeaker

Interesting reviews. How do they compare to similar sized Polk offerings?

Seem to be fairly good for the price no doubt!

Comments

  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 6,841
    edited June 5
    I believe @halo has, maybe not that specific model (I can't recall) but he didn't like them.
  • FTGVFTGV Posts: 3,483
    Have not heard them but would like to .They certainly generated a lot of hoopla when they debuted.
  • lightman1lightman1 Posts: 8,028
    Green woofers add colouration to the mids.
  • halohalo Posts: 3,508
    The Debut B6 is different from the Uni-Fi UB6. I heard the latter along with the matching center channel and the UF5 floor standing speakers. I was not impressed by the uni-fi line at all. I did hear the Debut series floor standing speakers and I liked them quite a bit but that at was at a demo and not in my home.
  • mpitogompitogo Posts: 60
    I own a pair of Elac B6 and can only compare to two Polk types I own, the T15 bookshelf and the larger RT55. The Elac B6 sounds much, much better than T15 and is a better value than the RT55.
  • K_MK_M Posts: 786
    halo wrote: »
    The Debut B6 is different from the Uni-Fi UB6. I heard the latter along with the matching center channel and the UF5 floor standing speakers. I was not impressed by the uni-fi line at all. I did hear the Debut series floor standing speakers and I liked them quite a bit but that at was at a demo and not in my home.

    Yes, at home would be quite different, and more telling for sure of their true sound quality.
  • For some reason, Andrew Jones gets the rock star treatment and his products get professionally reviewed and recommended quite frequently. I don't know if they are the real deal or a real over-hyped deal. Maybe buying from an online seller that offers a 30 day trial period is the way to go. Some people will buy two or three different pairs of speakers at the same time and send back those that don't measure up.
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 13,891
    lightman1 wrote: »
    Green woofers add colouration to the mids.

    Not when playing Blue Note pressings, nor Miles Davis' Kind of Blue.
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 13,891
    For some reason, Andrew Jones gets the rock star treatment and his products get professionally reviewed and recommended quite frequently. I don't know if they are the real deal or a real over-hyped deal. Maybe buying from an online seller that offers a 30 day trial period is the way to go. Some people will buy two or three different pairs of speakers at the same time and send back those that don't measure up.

    His tenure with TAD buys him considerable street cred.
  • mpitogompitogo Posts: 60
    I was in the market for budget speaksers and did not know who Andrew Jones was. I bought the Debut B6's after reading online and I do agree they are great. The value for what you get is amazing for $279/pr. I went up from there, the same location is now served by a pair of Martin Logan Motion 40's but I throughly enjoyed the Debut B6.
  • K_MK_M Posts: 786
    For some reason, Andrew Jones gets the rock star treatment and his products get professionally reviewed and recommended quite frequently. I don't know if they are the real deal or a real over-hyped deal. Maybe buying from an online seller that offers a 30 day trial period is the way to go. Some people will buy two or three different pairs of speakers at the same time and send back those that don't measure up.

    He has worked for several notable speaker manufacturers, and seems to be able to create high and low priced offerings that have great sound for the money.

    I would say he is the real deal, and a nice guy also!
  • ZLTFULZLTFUL Posts: 3,935
    edited June 8
    K_M wrote: »
    I would say he is the real deal, and a nice guy also!

    FINALLY! Something I actually agree with you on. I got to meet him at my buddy's shop and he is very humble and down to earth. Easy to talk to.

    Alon Wolf is another one that is great to talk tech with...but his offerings are definitely not in "budget" realm. Hehe

  • K_M wrote: »
    For some reason, Andrew Jones gets the rock star treatment and his products get professionally reviewed and recommended quite frequently. I don't know if they are the real deal or a real over-hyped deal. Maybe buying from an online seller that offers a 30 day trial period is the way to go. Some people will buy two or three different pairs of speakers at the same time and send back those that don't measure up.

    He has worked for several notable speaker manufacturers, and seems to be able to create high and low priced offerings that have great sound for the money.

    I would say he is the real deal, and a nice guy also!

    I found several interviews with Andrew Jones at YouTube.
  • K_MK_M Posts: 786
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    K_M wrote: »
    I would say he is the real deal, and a nice guy also!

    FINALLY! Something I actually agree with you on. I got to meet him at my buddy's shop and he is very humble and down to earth. Easy to talk to.

    Alon Wolf is another one that is great to talk tech with...but his offerings are definitely not in "budget" realm. Hehe

    oh I bet there is a lot we agree on!
  • nbrowsernbrowser Posts: 6,270
    For some reason, Andrew Jones gets the rock star treatment and his products get professionally reviewed and recommended quite frequently. I don't know if they are the real deal or a real over-hyped deal. Maybe buying from an online seller that offers a 30 day trial period is the way to go. Some people will buy two or three different pairs of speakers at the same time and send back those that don't measure up.

    Go buy a pair of these,

    https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Speakers/Pioneer+Speakers/SP-BS22-LR

    Hook them up to something half decent, let them burn in for a few days then give the beans...report back when you realize how much you paid and what they can do. Amazing little speakers for the money.
  • nbrowser wrote: »
    For some reason, Andrew Jones gets the rock star treatment and his products get professionally reviewed and recommended quite frequently. I don't know if they are the real deal or a real over-hyped deal. Maybe buying from an online seller that offers a 30 day trial period is the way to go. Some people will buy two or three different pairs of speakers at the same time and send back those that don't measure up.

    Go buy a pair of these,

    https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Speakers/Pioneer+Speakers/SP-BS22-LR

    Hook them up to something half decent, let them burn in for a few days then give the beans...report back when you realize how much you paid and what they can do. Amazing little speakers for the money.

    Maybe in a year or three. I already have too much stuff taking up too much space. I have 7 JBL speakers, a pair of BIC and a pair of Fluance bookshelf speakers, and a extra receiver to get rid of.
  • K_MK_M Posts: 786
    nbrowser wrote: »
    For some reason, Andrew Jones gets the rock star treatment and his products get professionally reviewed and recommended quite frequently. I don't know if they are the real deal or a real over-hyped deal. Maybe buying from an online seller that offers a 30 day trial period is the way to go. Some people will buy two or three different pairs of speakers at the same time and send back those that don't measure up.

    Go buy a pair of these,

    https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Speakers/Pioneer+Speakers/SP-BS22-LR

    Hook them up to something half decent, let them burn in for a few days then give the beans...report back when you realize how much you paid and what they can do. Amazing little speakers for the money.

    Maybe in a year or three. I already have too much stuff taking up too much space. I have 7 JBL speakers, a pair of BIC and a pair of Fluance bookshelf speakers, and a extra receiver to get rid of.

    What models of JBL do you own?

    We have a couple, have to look at the model numbers. I remember liking them in some ways, but not great overall. They were both smaller bookshelf models.
  • I have the Northridge Series E30 (6", 2 way front ported) and four E20s (5" 2 way rear ported) plus the center. The E30s are a little larger and heaver than the Polk Audio RTI A3s. They use the same cabinet as the Infinity Primus P162 (also a HK company). They can play very loud for bookshelf speakers. Even though they are big speakers, they work good in smaller rooms and are easy to place because of the front port. They are a little warmer sounding than the RTI A3s, but not too warm. I like their overall sound. They have pretty good mid and upper bass and mid-range. They replaced a 20 year old pair of large Advent 8" two way bookshelf speakers. They have a 3/4" titanium coated tweeter. The Primus P162 are also 6", 2 way with a 3/4" ceramic coated tweeter.

    I have a pair of Fluance SX6 speakers (5" 2 way). The E30s are not as detailed as the Fluance or my BIC bookshelf speakers, but I like their overall sound and bigger speaker presence better than those speakers. When I compared them to the Fluance with some fast drumming, I actually heard them miss a drum beat or two.

    The JBL speakers are far from being the last word in bookshelf speakers but they beat my Cyber Acoustics 2.1 computer speakers by a mile or more.

    The E30s have a surprising amount of mid and upper bass and, with the rear port, they can get boomy if placed too close to the wall. These are OK for TV (just about anything will beat the small speakers in many flat panel TVs) and are OK for surrounds, but not too good for fronts or two channel music. JBL then came out with the ES series that added a "super tweeter" to the Northridge E series. I still have not figured out the logic behind having an ultrasonic tweeter that goes up to 40K hertz. The RTI series will go upwards of 26 KHZ if memory serves me well.
  • guildensternguildenstern Posts: 1
    edited June 11
    Greetings -- my first post in Club Polk – I’ve just tried a pair of the Elac Debut B6 at home for a week and thought I’d report my impressions.

    I agree with many reviews that describe them as excellent speakers for the money. I placed them on heavy 24-inch stands and drove them with either a Naim UnitiQute 2 (all-in-one streamer-DAC-amp, 30 solid watts) or an old NAD 314 integrated – both had no trouble driving the B6’s. Music—mostly classical and jazz (mostly from NAS, occasionally from Tidal).

    PROS:
    • Big soundstage for such little speakers.
    • Smooth and natural midrange. Good piano recordings have a rich realistic timbre. Vocals sound natural, no hard edge or exaggerated chestiness.
    • Able to play surprisingly loud while remaining composed and controlled. For example, on piano transients, the B6's strike hard and clean, while my Polk RT35i’s get a little buzzy.
    • A presentation that I’d describe as more musical than hi-fi. Not in-your-face impressive but inviting you to listen to the music more than analyze the sound.

    CONS:
    • Slighty dry and closed-in high end. Cymbals sound a little more papery than metallic.
    • A little too much action from the rear port – in my small room (about 11 X 12), the bass output from the rear port caused boomy room resonances. Only when I moved the speakers more than about two feet from the back wall could I tame the bass , but the placement of furniture in the room won’t allow the speakers to stay so far out.
    • I also tried them in my big basement room (about 12 X 22) – I thought they would be swallowed up in this space but they held their own, and here the bass from the port provided a sense of low end presence, though more of a general bassiness without much specific definition or impact (which one really can’t expect from such small drivers in such a big space). In the end, my good old Polk RT55i’s still do a better job of filling this big space.

    CONCLUSION:
    Very musical speakers that I think I could easily live with if I had a room that would allow placement a couple feet or more from the back wall. So, for me, back to the store they go. But for you, they might prove a very musical bargain.

    Recordings used:
    Volodos Plays Brahms (Sony Classical)
    Murray Perahia, Schumann Piano Sonata No. 1 (Sony Classical)
    Paul Lewis, Beethoven Piano Sonatas Vol. 2 (Harmonia Mundi)
    Kate Royal, A Lesson in Love (EMI)
    Leila Josefowicz, John Adams’s Road Movies (Nonesuch)
    Pavel Haas Quartet, Prokofiev String Quartets (Supraphon)
    Quatuor Ebene, Eternal Stories (Erato)
    Manu Katche, Playground (EMI)
    Diana Krall, Turn Up the Quiet (Verve)
    Natalie Merchant, Paradise Is Here (Nonesuch)


  • vcwatkinsvcwatkins Posts: 1,584
    Nice post. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts.
    And welcome to the forum.
  • K_MK_M Posts: 786
    edited June 12
    Greetings -- my first post in Club Polk – I’ve just tried a pair of the Elac Debut B6 at home for a week and thought I’d report my impressions.

    I agree with many reviews that describe them as excellent speakers for the money. I placed them on heavy 24-inch stands and drove them with either a Naim UnitiQute 2 (all-in-one streamer-DAC-amp, 30 solid watts) or an old NAD 314 integrated – both had no trouble driving the B6’s. Music—mostly classical and jazz (mostly from NAS, occasionally from Tidal).

    PROS:
    • Big soundstage for such little speakers.
    • Smooth and natural midrange. Good piano recordings have a rich realistic timbre. Vocals sound natural, no hard edge or exaggerated chestiness.
    • Able to play surprisingly loud while remaining composed and controlled. For example, on piano transients, the B6's strike hard and clean, while my Polk RT35i’s get a little buzzy.
    • A presentation that I’d describe as more musical than hi-fi. Not in-your-face impressive but inviting you to listen to the music more than analyze the sound.

    CONS:
    • Slighty dry and closed-in high end. Cymbals sound a little more papery than metallic.
    • A little too much action from the rear port – in my small room (about 11 X 12), the bass output from the rear port caused boomy room resonances. Only when I moved the speakers more than about two feet from the back wall could I tame the bass , but the placement of furniture in the room won’t allow the speakers to stay so far out.
    • I also tried them in my big basement room (about 12 X 22) – I thought they would be swallowed up in this space but they held their own, and here the bass from the port provided a sense of low end presence, though more of a general bassiness without much specific definition or impact (which one really can’t expect from such small drivers in such a big space). In the end, my good old Polk RT55i’s still do a better job of filling this big space.

    CONCLUSION:
    Very musical speakers that I think I could easily live with if I had a room that would allow placement a couple feet or more from the back wall. So, for me, back to the store they go. But for you, they might prove a very musical bargain.

    Recordings used:
    Volodos Plays Brahms (Sony Classical)
    Murray Perahia, Schumann Piano Sonata No. 1 (Sony Classical)
    Paul Lewis, Beethoven Piano Sonatas Vol. 2 (Harmonia Mundi)
    Kate Royal, A Lesson in Love (EMI)
    Leila Josefowicz, John Adams’s Road Movies (Nonesuch)
    Pavel Haas Quartet, Prokofiev String Quartets (Supraphon)
    Quatuor Ebene, Eternal Stories (Erato)
    Manu Katche, Playground (EMI)
    Diana Krall, Turn Up the Quiet (Verve)
    Natalie Merchant, Paradise Is Here (Nonesuch)


    Great review, and A huge Diana Krall fan myself!

    Glad her latest is back to her normal sound, after "Wallflower". I did not like that one so much, and the sound was compressed a good bit.
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