You have a $4000 budget, what would you buy?

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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,607
    I don't think anything you are looking at will be much of an improvement over the Harbeth in that space. Not only is it a big space, but the vaulted ceiling means you need even more oomph and a midsize tower won't have that.

    Marvin's Usher CP-6381 will fill that space well, as would the CP-8571 for sale in Michigan right now. The guy selling the 8571 is a dealer and they are priced to move. They would come in right at $4,000 after shipping (if you could work it out).

    I would love to recommend the Rosso Fiorentino Elba, but it is more of an 'intimate' type speaker and will do poorly in that size room.

    One potential option would be these: https://www.audiothesis.com/theos

    They still might be too small for that room though.
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    Speakers: Harbeth: P3ESR, 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: CP-6311, Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S60, S55, S35, S30, S20, S15, RTA 15tl, Sonner Audio Allegro Unum
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 17,871
    Skip, what about the MartinLogan Motion 60XT's?
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  • JstasJstas Posts: 13,537
    I think you are being a bit dramatic there, @DSkip.

    My basement is 14' W by 40' L by 7' H. If the center wall was removed, it'd be 30 feet wide. Even with it there, it offers little sound isolation and Polk RTi10's, LSiM703's, KEF iQ9's and Polk 265-RT's all have no problem filling the space with excessive sound pressure levels on as little as 70 watts per channel. Even a pair of ancient KLH Model 20's on an old Kenwood stereo receiver will get that entire space rocking pretty hard.

    I think the biggest issue @steveinaz is going to face is reflections because that space has many, many hard surfaces to bounce sounds off of. I don't think a $4000 or less price range tower is going to get lost in there at all. Even with a 10 foot ceiling.

    If it was a vaulted or uneven ceiling, I'd tend to agree that a larger speaker would be needed to pressurize the space adequately enough for desirable bass response but that's 10 ft evenly spaced the entire length of the room. Won't be a problem.

    Also, he specifically stated no electrostats.
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 17,871
    edited May 25
    I've had "lesser" towers that easily filled a room this big (Energy C-9's), so I agree with jstas on that point. There will be some large area rugs put down once we get moved in on the 1st; and Bev will be doing some accent curtains as well. This area will be the family room/dining room type setup, with the family room taking about 60% of the depth.
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 17,871
    edited May 25
    Keep the suggestions coming fellers....I've got lots of time to ponder options, so bring it on. "Living" with Harbeth's isn't exactly torture.
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 17,871
    edited May 25
    It looks like you just moved into a new home. Maybe your sub could be dialed in in this new space. Have you tried it in the pictured room? If it can, that could impact new tower selection.

    Subs are just an avenue that don't interest me much (this isn't my first 2-channel sub-rodeo). Setup is a PITA, and I can never get them tweaked to where they don't interfere with my midrange--regardless of how low I set the crossover. A good tower gives me plenty of satisfying bass.

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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,607
    Steve, that is my point. Live with them and see how it goes. I'm not saying that you aren't going to get more, but it's a big room with a plethora of reflective surfaces. I don't see any big gains, especially not enough to warrant the money spent.

    I don't disagree with room filling sound but quality room filling sound with bass that can actually pressurize enough to have solid impact.

    I don't like the motion series or any speaker that utilizes ribbon tweeters in a coffin. Rosso Fiorentino is an exception but they use a silk dome tweeter with a ribbon supertweeter. The issue is the ribbon and cone woofer have a disjoint with open and airy trying to blend with confinement.

    I actually think some larger Maggie's may work well in that room. They won't be dynamic but will be engaging.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: P3ESR, 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: CP-6311, Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S60, S55, S35, S30, S20, S15, RTA 15tl, Sonner Audio Allegro Unum
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Dayens Ampino, Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, AURALiC Altair, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,607
    Jstas wrote: »
    I think you are being a bit dramatic there, @DSkip.

    My basement is 14' W by 40' L by 7' H. If the center wall was removed, it'd be 30 feet wide. Even with it there, it offers little sound isolation and Polk RTi10's, LSiM703's, KEF iQ9's and Polk 265-RT's all have no problem filling the space with excessive sound pressure levels on as little as 70 watts per channel. Even a pair of ancient KLH Model 20's on an old Kenwood stereo receiver will get that entire space rocking pretty hard.

    I think the biggest issue @steveinaz is going to face is reflections because that space has many, many hard surfaces to bounce sounds off of. I don't think a $4000 or less price range tower is going to get lost in there at all. Even with a 10 foot ceiling.

    If it was a vaulted or uneven ceiling, I'd tend to agree that a larger speaker would be needed to pressurize the space adequately enough for desirable bass response but that's 10 ft evenly spaced the entire length of the room. Won't be a problem.

    Also, he specifically stated no electrostats.

    No drama. Your room is quite different and your results are not surprising. You have concrete walls, low ceilings, a narrow room, and less reflective surfaces.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: P3ESR, 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: CP-6311, Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S60, S55, S35, S30, S20, S15, RTA 15tl, Sonner Audio Allegro Unum
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Dayens Ampino, Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, AURALiC Altair, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 17,871
    These are Monitor Audio Silver 10s, bundling two lowers the price to $2,250 (at Amazon).

    I like the dimpled drivers - reminds me of the inside of a golf ball. Supposedly they reach down to 30hertz. Dual 8" drivers.

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    There you go. You had me a little worried with your "barely suitable for firewood" Cerwin Vega suggestion. LOL
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 17,871
    The Klipsch RF7II's have my interest peaked a bit, but I dunno. Harbeth to horns might be a little too much, too soon.
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  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 1,196
    Or wait a couple months until the new SDA line comes out....

    How "confirmed" is this John? I have seen some cryptic messages from them on social media lately that point to this.

    It's not, just wishful thinking.

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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,607
    Steve, my greatest hesitation with ANY tower under $4k is the fact that you are used to the Harbeth sound. While there are some good speakers in that range, it will take something special to dig deeper AND keep you from feeling like you are taking a step back.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: P3ESR, 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: CP-6311, Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S60, S55, S35, S30, S20, S15, RTA 15tl, Sonner Audio Allegro Unum
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
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    Sources: AURALiC Aries, AURALiC Altair, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
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  • adb3daadb3da Posts: 379
    These might be slightly over your $4k budget, but what about something like the Legacy Audio Classic HD?
    Legacy_Classic_HD_Best_Price_High_End_Speaker_Sale_Destination_Hifi_Cherry_2_medium.jpg?v=1431129445

  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 17,871
    adb3da wrote: »
    These might be slightly over your $4k budget, but what about something like the Legacy Audio Classic HD?
    Legacy_Classic_HD_Best_Price_High_End_Speaker_Sale_Destination_Hifi_Cherry_2_medium.jpg?v=1431129445

    Tony suggested these....
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 17,871
    DSkip wrote: »
    Steve, my greatest hesitation with ANY tower under $4k is the fact that you are used to the Harbeth sound. While there are some good speakers in that range, it will take something special to dig deeper AND keep you from feeling like you are taking a step back.

    Actually, in some respects I'm trying to get away from the Harbeth sound--most notably the laid-back nature of them. While highly listenable, it can also become boring at times. I'm looking for a bit more excitement and SCALE--but hopefully retaining the very good midrange/treble of a Harbeth.
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  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 6,999
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 17,871
    Nightfall wrote: »
    Have you heard Dynaudio?

    Oh yeah, their a regular on my radar like the Revels.
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 17,871
    Dynaudio X38's....Very Nice.
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 17,871
    edited May 25
    Here's what has been suggested, that I'm really interested in so far:

    1. PSB Imagine T2...$3500
    2. Focal Aria 936...$3995
    3. Dynaudio Excite X38...$3899

    There were other good suggestions that just didn't appeal for either esthetic reasons, spec reasons, not my cup of tea reasons.

    Keep them coming. You guys have pointed out quite a few I didn't think about.
    Post edited by steveinaz on
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 27,761
    edited May 25
    steveinaz wrote: »
    adb3da wrote: »
    These might be slightly over your $4k budget, but what about something like the Legacy Audio Classic HD?
    Legacy_Classic_HD_Best_Price_High_End_Speaker_Sale_Destination_Hifi_Cherry_2_medium.jpg?v=1431129445

    Tony suggested these....

    No, Tony did not. :) Tony suggested the Focus HD, big difference between those and the classics.

    The Kef suggestion is also a good one btw. Smallish floorstanders won't cut the mustard, not in that room anyway. Go big or go home as we like to say, no replacement for displacement. lol

    The criteria is life size sound, dynamic with no sub needed....to fill a large room. Few speakers I can think of fit that bill. Polks 1.2's, Carver Amazings, Legacy Focus, Vandy 5's, a few others along those lines. Big dynamic sound, no sub needed, can play any genre of music, and make you feel like your sitting front and center at a concert....without being offensive.

    I'm sure many I haven't heard too would fit that bill. My thoughts are you need a full size floorstander, midsized may get washed out in a room that big....especially the bass response. You need to move some air, that only big woofers can do. Just my .02
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 17,871
    edited May 25
    Don't confuse "no sub needed" to mean "20Hz bass capability." I'm talking something in the low 30's bass-wise.

    You do realize this room is no bigger than the room we had 2 houses ago right? I had 3 different sub $1200 tower pairs in that room and they all ROCKED to the levels I'm talking about; shoot, even those Fritz Carbon 7's bookies passed the "Enter Sandman" test of destruction...LOL. C'mon now, $4k should be plenty to light this room up, and do it with finesse...

    Shall I buy some $450 ELAC towers and demonstrate what "seemingly" no $4000 tower can do? LOL GET BUSY man I know there's a $4k tower-slayer out there, help a brother out.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 27,761
    LOL, looks bigger than that in the pics Steve....maybe because it's empty. Low 30's bass response opens up the options.... by a big margin. Trick then I think anyway, is getting a floorstander that has the attributes of the Harbeths in the top end.

    Maybe the other guys can chime in on the brands with the diamond tweets, I haven't heard too many iterations of them to make a solid judgement. I do like ribbons though.
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 17,871
    edited May 25
    LMAO. There you go. Harbeth mid/treble fruit smoothy, with nutbustin achoring bass. In other words, the worlds most perfect speaker for $3500/pr. Note I reduced your budget by $500 bucks cause you're playing around too much. You keep messing around and your gonna get bud-light with your steak when you come to hear the ELAC's.
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,607
    OK. I'll throw some out:

    Usher Mini Dancer 1
    Dali
    Zu Audio
    Sonus Faber Venere 3.0

    perhaps some OB designs, like Emerald Physics?
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: P3ESR, 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: CP-6311, Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S60, S55, S35, S30, S20, S15, RTA 15tl, Sonner Audio Allegro Unum
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Dayens Ampino, Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, AURALiC Altair, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,607
    Also Usher CP-6361, but its half your budget.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: P3ESR, 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: CP-6311, Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S60, S55, S35, S30, S20, S15, RTA 15tl, Sonner Audio Allegro Unum
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Dayens Ampino, Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, AURALiC Altair, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
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