You have a $4000 budget, what would you buy?

steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 18,182
edited May 2017 in Speakers
1. Must be a floorstander
2. Will not be used with a sub
3. No electrostatics
4. MUST BE NEW
5. No "delicate flowers" it's got to ROCK

Here's a few I'm considering; MartinLogan Motion 60XT, Polk LsiM 707, PSB Imagine T2. Give me some more ideas...
Transport: Oppo BDP-103/USB HDD | Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2L | Power Amp: Parasound Halo A21 | Speakers: PSB Imagine T2 | Cables: Signal Cable XLR; Kimber 8VS Bi-Wire; DH Labs D-75 | AC Power: Panamax M5300-PM
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  • Rick88Rick88 Posts: 12,863
    edited May 2017
    "Life is one grand, sweet song, so start the music." ~ Ronald Reagan

    “I love songs about horses, railroads, land, Judgment Day, family, hard times, whiskey, courtship, marriage, adultery, separation, murder, war, prison, rambling, damnation, home, salvation, death, pride, humor, piety, rebellion, patriotism, larceny, determination, tragedy, rowdiness, heartbreak and love. And Mother. And God.”
    ~ Johnny Cash





  • nbrowsernbrowser Posts: 7,914
    $2,000 Canadian pesos up here, with half the budget left...I can afford a killer amp for them. Yes I've heard them off a Marantz integrated and they absolutely floored me, stunning low end and a nice smooth inviting top end.

    http://www.wharfedale.co.uk/product.php?pid=79
    Living room: Samsung UN55KU7000 4K UHD HDR 55 inch TV, Marantz CD6004, Pro-Ject Debut Carbon, Parasound zPhono, Mac Mini, Oppo BDP-93, XBox One S 2Tb, Kenwood DPX792BH car deck for radio purposes, Marantz SR5010 AVR, Parasound HCA-1200II, Front SDA 2 modded with Larrys Rings and RD0-194-1 tweeters, Rear Onkyo SKF-4800 Towers, Center CSiA6, BOOM Tannoy TS2.12 Sub, Audioquest Evergreen interconnects just about everywhere except from AVR to amp, MIT Terminator 4, MIT AVT3 speaker cables with extra terminals covered up Monitor 5 Jr+ in the wings for a center channel.
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,314
    Don't know, I never had that much to spend on speakers
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Marantz SR5010, Emotiva BasX-A300
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High TC80i
    Rear: Polk MC80
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S30
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 18,182
    GREAT ideas so far...keep them coming!
    Transport: Oppo BDP-103/USB HDD | Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2L | Power Amp: Parasound Halo A21 | Speakers: PSB Imagine T2 | Cables: Signal Cable XLR; Kimber 8VS Bi-Wire; DH Labs D-75 | AC Power: Panamax M5300-PM
  • adb3daadb3da Posts: 423
    I'd try to find some new old stock Dynaudio Focus series speakers I think. But they may all be gone by now.
  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 5,105
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    Check $$ with @DSkip
    HT:Polk LSiM 706 LSiM 705's VR3 LSiM 703's LSiM 702's| Marantz AV7702 | Sunfire TGA-7401 | Oppo BDP-103D | Sony PS4 | Directv Genie HD DVR | Samsung 64" Plasma | SVS PB13 Ultra | MIT EXP 2's (Fronts & Center)

    ManCave: Parasound Halo A23 x2 Amps Parsound Halo A21 Amp & P5 Pre | Marantz SR5011 AVR | Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's| Usher BE-616 Center|KEF T100 Surrounds | SVS SB2000 Sub |Oppo UDP 203 | MIT Shotgun S3's | Marantz SA8004 SACD | Bluesound Node 2 | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ | HP Elite Slice PC |Samsung 50" SUHD TV

    Patio Polk Atrium 8's |Marantz 2252B |

    Office Bluesound Node | Audioengine P4 | Peachtree Nova 125SE |

    Closet | SDA SRS 2.3's | Monitor 5B's Yamaha M80 | Yaqin MC100B with Shuguang Treasures KT 88's & CV181Z's | Tesla E83CC's | Marantz 2385
  • mpitogompitogo Posts: 233
    edited May 2017
    Golden Ear Triton Two, or Triton One if you can find it on sale.
    Living Room Music-2.0 Polk LSiM 707 | McIntosh C47 | Rotel RB-1590 | Denon DP-2500A | Oppo BDP-103 | MacMini
    Family Room Home Theater-7.2.2 (Atmos) Polk LSi25, Martin Logan Motion 50xt, Dual DSW microPRO 3000, fx500, T15, RC65i | Marantz SR7009 | McIntosh MA5200 AVR trigger HTPT FL&FR (independent 2.0) | Sony UBP-X800 4K | Xbox One S 4K | AppleTV | HTPC | Sony 75” XBR X850D 4K
    Office Home Theater-5.1 Polk RT55, CS400, PSW450, T15 | Onkyo TX-SR705 | Xbox 360 MCE | AppleTV | Samsung 55”
    Office Music-2.0 KEF Q100 | Sansui AU-6900 | Sansui FR-1080
    Master Bedroom Music-2.0 Totem Hawk | Rotel RA-1570 | Sony DVP-S500D | PS HX-500
    Patio Music-2.0 Polk Atrium8 | AMC 2445 bridged
    Airplay zones: Family Room (HDMI), Master Bedroom (Optical), Office (HDMI), Living Room (Optical), MA5200 (Optical), SR7009 (AVR direct) and Patio (analog). MacMini iTunes multi-stream to any, combo or all.
    Spares: Polk LSiC, CS300, T15, Martin Logan Motion 40, Dynamo 500, Denon AVR-4802R, Onkyo DX-C540, Sony CDP-491, STR DE715
    Most important piece: Pro-Ject VC-S Record Cleaning Machine
  • FTGVFTGV Posts: 3,544
    edited May 2017
    Revel F208 would be high on my list along with the PSB's.I would also look at Salks. http://www.salksound.com/
  • decaldecal Posts: 2,992
    Check out Tyler Acoustics.
    If you can't hear a difference, don't waste your money.
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 17,460
    Or wait a couple months until the new SDA line comes out....
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with PS Audio NuWave Phono converter, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Stradivari v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X1 two channel preamplifier Signed by Poppa himself, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 525a CD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-65, Oppo UDP-205 Blu-ray , Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB700/800 "in-wall" surrounds

  • scottyboy76scottyboy76 Posts: 2,935
    I thought you would never go back to floorstanders after fallin in love with your big bookies, LOL
    I tell ya, always regret leavin some psb stratus golds in a guys livin room cause he wanted 300 bucks and wouldn't even pretend to dicker back and forth, so I left with some big boston acoustics for half that, but I still remember the way they sounded.
    Old speakers, but if they have kept up the quality, hard to beat.
    Good luck old man and god bless
    humpty dumpty was pushed
  • Mike ReeterMike Reeter Posts: 3,240
    SDA SRS 3.1TL's/SDA CRS+4.1TL's and some other stuff
  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 1,333
    Or wait a couple months until the new SDA line comes out....

    How "confirmed" is this John? I have seen some cryptic messages from them on social media lately that point to this.
    Living room

    Mains: Paradigm 90P
    Lows: Velodyne CHT12, Pioneer SW-8Mk2
    Power: Marantz SR7000
    Tv: Samsung UHD 55' Curved 4k

    2 Channel Den

    Mains: SDA2B Upgraded XOs and Binding Posts
    Power: Yamaha AV34
    TT: Pioneer PL510
    Tv: Samsung UHD 55' 4K

    Noggin Rockin'

    Phillips L2
    Grado SE80
    Harman Kardon CL
    Little dot 1+/GE JAN 5654w

    Closet of Dreams:

    Harman Kardon AVR130
    Yamaha HTR5590
    Polk RTA11TL
    Polk TSI200s
    New Large Advents 25th Anniversary Edition
    Bravo V2/RCA Clear top Conn branded 12AU7

    "Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
    " I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88
  • hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 4,998
    mpitogo wrote: »
    Golden Ear Triton Two, or Triton One if you can find it on sale.

    This is what I was going to recommend. I've heard the twos three different times and love them.

    Hopefully, they will be my next pair.
    __________________________________________________
    2 Channel
    Turntable - VPI Scout 1.1/Ortofon 2M Blue
    Phono Stage - Parks Audio Budgie
    Preamplifier - Dared SL-2000A
    Amplifier - McCormack DNA 0.5 Deluxe
    Speakers - GoldenEar Triton 2
    __________________________________________________
    7.1 Home Theater
    Denon AVR-X3300W; Rotel RMB-1066; Polk CS350ls, LS90's, FXi3's, RC60i; SVS PC Ultra; BenQ W1070; Elite Screens 120"
    __________________________________________________
    Man Cave
    Turntable - 1) Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado Gold; 2) Sony PS LX410/Grado Green
    Phono Stage - PS Audio GCPH
    CD - Marantz DV4001
    Passive Pre - Luminous Audio Axiom II
    Amplifier - Parasound HCA-1500A
    Speakers - SDA 2A (x-overs etc...); Epos Epic 2; Polk Audio Monitor 70 (my first)
    __________________________________________________
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 28,937
    edited May 2017
    Given your decorating tastes Steve, you want something with a nice finish to it, that also looks like a piece of furniture rather than a big black box.

    I would reconsider the "must be new" aspect though, demo or slightly used will afford you more speaker for the buck. Are the speakers your seeking going to replace the Harbeths ? Are you looking for similar sound signatures ?
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • Erik TracyErik Tracy Posts: 4,691
    How big of a room are these going in, and what will they be driven by?

    Is there flexibility in placement out in the room?

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 18,182
    edited May 2017
    Tony--
    Yes, replacements for the harbeths. Ready to get back to the "weight" and scale of a floorstander. I'd love to have the harbeth midrange/treble, but ready for something more dynamic with better bass. I can never quite integrate a sub (this was my 2nd attempt), and find satisfaction going that route, so the SVS is gonna sell as well. I have had a few towers that dug plenty deep for me. Seems to me there is a biq "sweet-spot" for outstanding towers in the $3500-$4000 bracket.

    So far, I really like the suggestion of the Focal Aria 936's. Of course Revel's are always on my watch list. I have looked extensively at Golden Ear, but I cannot get past the cheeseball construction/sock grill thing, so they are a non-starter. I also don't like powered woofers in passive speakers--I don't have a dazzling argument, just not my cup of tea.
    Transport: Oppo BDP-103/USB HDD | Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2L | Power Amp: Parasound Halo A21 | Speakers: PSB Imagine T2 | Cables: Signal Cable XLR; Kimber 8VS Bi-Wire; DH Labs D-75 | AC Power: Panamax M5300-PM
  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 18,182
    edited May 2017
    Erik Tracy wrote: »
    How big of a room are these going in, and what will they be driven by?

    Is there flexibility in placement out in the room?

    Room is approx 26' x 18', 10ft ceilings; listening area in the first 1/2 of the room, with system on the 18' wall. Seating will be about 10-12ft from the rack.

    Here's a pic of the family room end of the great room:

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    The dining room end:

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    Transport: Oppo BDP-103/USB HDD | Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2L | Power Amp: Parasound Halo A21 | Speakers: PSB Imagine T2 | Cables: Signal Cable XLR; Kimber 8VS Bi-Wire; DH Labs D-75 | AC Power: Panamax M5300-PM
  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 9,517
    Why not any on the used market. I have had great luck with posting "want ads"

    Dealers will usually chime in and sell their demo models

    You could step up a notch in the line of your choice..i.e. Focal Electra 1028 Be
    2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures, Simaudio 780D DAC
    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Modwright LS100, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers
  • Erik TracyErik Tracy Posts: 4,691
    I still vividly remember how impressed I was with Spatial Audio's M3 Turbo at THE SHOW last year.

    And also the Salk Song Tower - plenty of dynamic slam and balance.

    I'm going to the LA Audio show next week - I'm going to revisit Spatial's room.

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 18,182
    edited May 2017
    Here's my beef going used:
    1. Everything today is in "excellent condition" (but not really)
    2. I'm a fussy SOB
    3. People tend to "tinker" and I don't want a tinkered-with speaker
    4. You have to be at the right place, at the right time to get the speaker you're after
    5. There's plenty of great choices (new) in the $4k and under bracket IMO

    Having said that, I got LUCKY with the Harbeth's. The guy just happened to be in Arizona, and the speakers were absolutely perfect---even the bottoms, which sometimes look like hell on a used monitor. Plus, the price was outstanding.
    Transport: Oppo BDP-103/USB HDD | Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2L | Power Amp: Parasound Halo A21 | Speakers: PSB Imagine T2 | Cables: Signal Cable XLR; Kimber 8VS Bi-Wire; DH Labs D-75 | AC Power: Panamax M5300-PM
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 4,166
    steveinaz wrote: »
    Tony--
    Yes, replacements for the harbeths. Ready to get back to the "weight" and scale of a floorstander. I'd love to have the harbeth midrange/treble, but ready for something more dynamic with better bass. I can never quite integrate a sub (this was my 2nd attempt), and find satisfaction going that route, so the SVS is gonna sell as well.

    I thought I remembered you being pretty happy with the integration of the SVS? Was that just initial excitement that faded?

    I LOVE my 703s, so I would love to hear the towers. But they are the nicest speaks I have ever owned (or even heard really), so I am sure there are lots of other, better options out there.

    And I also do think you should be open to dealer demos and likely used gear. Weren't your Harbeth's used?
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Parasound HCA-1205A; Arcam rDac; Mains: Dynaudio Emit 10 + MartinLogan Dynamo (original) sub; Center - Def Tech Procenter 1000; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - SVS PB10-ISD; Sony BDP-S390, FireTV gen 2

    Master Bedroom
    Marantz SR-5007; Audiosource Amp Two, PSB Imagine Mini, Boston VR-10 center, NHT Super One CI surrounds, ACI Titan subwoofer, FireTV, Arcam rDac; Bryson BPD-1
  • ManticoreManticore Posts: 223
    Nice open floor plan. Looks great. It will probably take floor speakers over bookies to fill that room the way you want...all the way to the kitchen.
    Especially like that soffit type ceiling. Great for sound.
    Happy speaker hunting.
    Denon AVR X4200W
    Parasound HCA 1500A amplifier
    Adcom GFA 555 amplifier
    LG 65" Ultra HD4k
    LG 4kBR - UP970
    Denon DVM 4800
    Denon DP 3000 turntable
    Saec 308sx tonearm w/
    Dynavector 10x5 cart
    NAD pp 4 Phono Preamp
    MIT Avt3 Speaker c's
    Audio Quest Big Sur ic's
    Polk RTiA 7's
    Polk CSi A6
    Polk RTiA 3's
    Polk SDA 1C's modded
    Polk DSW PRO 440wi sub
    Infinity bu2 sub
    "The early Klingon gets the Gagh"
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 28,937
    edited May 2017
    Gotcha Steve....The Salks are a good suggestion. Dynamics, bass slam with no sub....in a room that big...Gotta throw the Legacy Focus HD's in the mix. You won't find them new for 4k, but maybe a demo pair. You'll forget about subwoofers with those. The Dynes and the Focals are also good rock speakers.

    I know you plan on keeping the same amp, and that would be a good match with any of the 4 brands mentioned as well.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 18,182
    Thanks Tony.
    Transport: Oppo BDP-103/USB HDD | Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2L | Power Amp: Parasound Halo A21 | Speakers: PSB Imagine T2 | Cables: Signal Cable XLR; Kimber 8VS Bi-Wire; DH Labs D-75 | AC Power: Panamax M5300-PM
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 17,460
    Or wait a couple months until the new SDA line comes out....

    How "confirmed" is this John? I have seen some cryptic messages from them on social media lately that point to this.

    It's not, just wishful thinking.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with PS Audio NuWave Phono converter, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Stradivari v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X1 two channel preamplifier Signed by Poppa himself, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 525a CD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-65, Oppo UDP-205 Blu-ray , Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB700/800 "in-wall" surrounds

  • JstasJstas Posts: 13,632
    https://www.kefdirect.com/speakers/hi-fi-speakers/r-series/r700-floorstanding-loudspeaker.html

    http://us.kef.com/r700

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    They come in black, white and walnut. The walnut looks sharp.

    I'd recommend the R900's but they'll be almost a grand outside of your dictated price range.

    My first thought here would be the Polk LSiM707's.

    I have 703's and they knock everyone's socks off.

    The KEF's are very neutral in regards to gear and every KEF I've had has been relatively easy to drive so almost any amplification will work. My favorite amp to use with my iQ9's is one of my New Audio Dimensions jobs. KEF and NAD pair well together. Polk and NAD pair well together as well.
    You're just jealous 'cause the voices don't talk to you!
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