MP3 is dead!

gcegce Posts: 2,035
"The MP3 is dead, according to its creators, who say that the digital audio encoding format has lost relevance in a world of new technology."

MP3's have been dead a long time for me. Hopefully this will advance the technology for Hi-Res with hardware and software.
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  • Mp3 is not dead.

    It is still one of the most dominant audio files. There are thousands of daily podcasts produced using Mp3. Just go to Itunes and see for yourself. There are millions and millions of portable media players that use Mp3. There are millions and millions of computer users that play back high bit rate Mp3 files using Foobar and other media players. Millions of car audio players play CDs, WMA, Mp3, etc. Or they save to a hard drive in the car and can play from that drive the above formats. WMA and Mp3 are both just about universally supported by DACs on all computer platforms.

    There are also millions and millions of satisfied users of high bit rate Mp3 music files to be found around the earth. These files are played in cars, portable music players, and through home stereo equipment connected to Computers and DACs.





  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 12,553
    It's hardly dead, they have simply stopped licensing it to other companies, but it will remain a legacy product for years to come.

    The same way even though HDMI is the supposed defacto standard, most TV's, receivers, prepros etc. still have IC hook ups and what not.
  • rednedtugentrednedtugent Posts: 9,865
    Stereophile has an article on whether Hi-Res is gonna catch on...
  • For long-term, I'll put my money on Flac files. They don't need expensive DACs or costly music services/downloads and play on the free Foobar player. DSD is another version of SACD and may not become any more popular than that format.

    A wise man once said, "You can't beat something with nothing." There are better file formats, but they are not universally accepted and supported by the audio industry. Maybe if they can ever get together and get behind a particular format..... The technology needs industry support and leadership or it will be another version of DVD audio on the road to nowhere.

  • jeremymarcinkojeremymarcinko Posts: 2,596
    Not until Spotify starts streaming lossless.
  • msgmsg Posts: 2,852
    Spotify vs Tidal - which is VHS, and which will be BETA?
  • warrenwarren Posts: 457
    Mp3 is not dead..... That's telling them!!! I'm on your side the search for truth continues, down with the nay sayers!
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 27,202
    Well now, all the way up to a few years ago, your car still came with a cassette player. Didn't make it the most popular format.

    MP3 is popular....still, know why ? Because it's cheap. When Higher rez files gets down off their high horse and make it more affordable to the masses, you'll see it explode.
    For long-term, I'll put my money on Flac files. They don't need expensive DACs or costly music services/downloads and play on the free Foobar player.

    Flac files, or any lossless format is gaining in popularity but I'd disagree with you about the dac. Just like comparing a cheapo CD player to a good one that utilizes better build quality and better dacs. Music services....20 bucks a month for Tidal might seem expensive to some, but that's one trip to McDonalds for a family of 3. Somehow I think most can do without one trip to Micky D's in a months time. Music too has been shown to have some health benefits, not so much for McDonalds. You can think of that 20 bucks a month as an investment in your health. ;)

    As always, everything in the chain matters to the final sound you hear from your system.
  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 3,890
    If anything kills MP3, it will be cheaper storage. Why do you think compression came about in the first place? However, since it's such a universally supported format, it will be around for a long, long time. Btw, the premise of the original article is that MP3 is being replaced by AAC, an improved, but still lossy (compressed) format. Yes, of course neither is for Hi Fi listening...
  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 4,595
    MP3 is not dead... it just smells that way.
  • nbrowsernbrowser Posts: 6,264
    And if my reading is correct, the patents died very recently on MP3...for that institute that had them can no longer license the technology...it's now public domain, MP3, is not dead....yet.

    One can Google up the pertinent information.
  • polrbehrpolrbehr Posts: 1,928
    edited May 17
    For long-term, I'll put my money on Flac files. They don't need expensive DACs or costly music services/downloads and play on the free Foobar player. DSD is another version of SACD and may not become any more popular than that format.

    A wise man once said, "You can't beat something with nothing." There are better file formats, but they are not universally accepted and supported by the audio industry. Maybe if they can ever get together and get behind a particular format..... The technology needs industry support and leadership or it will be another version of DVD audio on the road to nowhere.

    I always hoped .flac would become more popular as well, as there are hardly any car audio devices that will support the format - though for most car audio applications, the higher quality probably doesn't matter as much. But a decent DAC is still not to be overlooked IMO.

    That wise man has obviously never sat at a poker table for very long...

  • The wise man point is that there is not an established format in place right now to displace either CDs or Mp3s - those are the dominant formats at this time. I agree that car audio suffers because of road noise.

    The problem with DSD is lack of content compared to other formats and it is not plug and play in Windows. Microsoft favors PCM stereo at up to 24 bit, 96khz. Beyond that special audio drivers need to be installed. There are some under $200 DACs that will play DSD. The DSD content is far less convenient than streaming and costs 1 to 3 months the subscription price at Spotify (access to 30 million tracs) for a single DSD downloaded album. PCM is still, by far, more dominant than DSD.
  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 6,841
    Other formats such as AAC get better sound quality out of smaller files than MP3, MP3 has been pointless for some time.
  • rednedtugentrednedtugent Posts: 9,865
    Vinyl baby! :D
  • K_MK_M Posts: 781
    Vinyl baby! :D

    For all its "Charms" it has many issues.

    We tried to get back into it fairly recently, but I think after having digital files for years, and being able to immediately access any of our music, it was more of a novelty, fun and entertaining, but far too inconvenient.

    The fun ended when my little daughter decided to break a stylus off.
  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 7,408
    K_M wrote: »
    Vinyl baby! :D

    For all its "Charms" it has many issues.

    We tried to get back into it fairly recently, but I think after having digital files for years, and being able to immediately access any of our music, it was more of a novelty, fun and entertaining, but far too inconvenient.

    The fun ended when my little daughter decided to break a stylus off.

    But I still think it peaked many of the youth's interest for higher fidelity.
  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 6,841
    An inconvenience to you is a relaxing ritual to me. My record collection can be held, looked at, and has value. This Western Digital hard drive I have is pretty freaking boring to look at and is all but worthless.
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 8,942
    It will be like SACDs, and vinyl. A niche market.
  • tophatjohnnytophatjohnny Posts: 1,899
    Once ya go FLAC no going back.
  • EmlynEmlyn Posts: 1,773
    The Library of Congress recommends archivists use WAV/LPCM for audio recordings. They considered the merits of FLAC several years ago and found the only reason to use it was for storage size. They abandoned it when they realized improvements in storage and bandwidth make it unnecessary.

    When MP3 first came out, people had hard drives measured in megabytes rather than terabytes and dial up modems rather than high speed fiber optic internet connections.
  • K_MK_M Posts: 781
    afterburnt wrote: »
    MP3s are not dead but they are an abomination of the highest order and desrve to die just like MacDonalds deserves to die along with their customers.

    Okay Dexter.....
  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 2,915
    You mean the little guy from Felix the Cat?
  • pkquatpkquat Posts: 422
    Emlyn wrote: »
    The Library of Congress recommends archivists use WAV/LPCM for audio recordings. They considered the merits of FLAC several years ago and found the only reason to use it was for storage size. They abandoned it when they realized improvements in storage and bandwidth make it unnecessary.

    When MP3 first came out, people had hard drives measured in megabytes rather than terabytes and dial up modems rather than high speed fiber optic internet connections.

    IMO I think this the best answer. mp3 is waning only because of lower cost increased storage capacities. FLAC/ALAC is still a great format, but it does require decoding per se. It my become a standard, but at the rate storage and transfer rates are increasing, it may have a more limited life span. On the other hand, processing power is also increasing. Look at all the older legacy digital formats that are still supported.

    I don't see mp3's disappearing anytime soon. When you can dl the latest hit to you phone, in medium res., in a matter of seconds, right now, to play on cheap earbuds or you in your car, vs "waiting", there will always be a need. You can always dl a higher res. version from home some other time... or maybe to your phone while the med. res. version is playing.

    I have actually lowered bit rate on many mp3's for the car because I am tight on space, transfer times are less, it harder to hear the difference in the car, and usually I'm driving so focusing on sound quality takes a back seat.
  • EmlynEmlyn Posts: 1,773
    edited May 17
    I still use MP3s in my car and on an iPod classic. There are a couple of 32GB SDHC card slots in my car so I use 320 KB/S MP3s there. The stereo won't play FLAC and 320 KB/S is the highest resolution the player supports. I tried lower bit rate and it was noticeably more tinny sounding. I can't tell the difference between CD and MP3 in the car at the higher bit rate. On the iPod I use lower bit rate files so I can fit more than 30,000 tracks on it. I only use that for a table radio player at work for background sound sometimes so the resolution isn't an issue.
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  • Batman_RobinBatman_Robin Posts: 10
    The patent should be expired soon and it looks like we should really depended on Flac and AAC somehow. I guess they should kill JPEG in few years. :D
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 27,202
    Speaking of cars and audio....why is it they can't make them more modular and interchangeable with their audio systems ? Why not create a spot to place a hard drive that you can unplug easily ? That would/could put an end to having MP3's in cars. Car radio head units today are like a computer anyway with internet, some sound pretty frickin' good too.
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 3,631
    A few new cars don't come with CD players anymore. Just Bluetooth from your cell or Bluetooth audio device.
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