Pros and cons of multiple subwoofers

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  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 15,864
    I don't think there is really any con to multiple subs other than additional footprint being taken up.

    The only real downfall is the potential extra time needed to get them to constructively align.....

    Its taken me a bit to get to where I feel they are complimenting each other and work well in my room....

    But the extra time spent and the result are WELL WORTH IT, so dont get me wrong...

    I'm a HUGE PROPONENT of AS MANY SUBS as you can get into your room as extra overhead is ALWAYS a good thing, it means you need less power, have less THD....

    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • gp4jesusgp4jesus Posts: 1,162
    edited July 2017
    I don't think there is really any con to multiple subs other than additional footprint being taken up.
    The two Surround subs are just 12.5" cubed - easy to place.
    I'm a HUGE PROPONENT of AS MANY SUBS as you can get into your room as extra overhead is ALWAYS a good thing, it means you need less power, have less THD....
    I agree - the Starfish effect. Choose cafefully, though. Quality over quantity.

    In my case, the front sub does the CC's heavy lifting & LFE duties only. To set the Surrounds to Large I must set the LR* to Large.
    *Good to the low 30s

    I pray the 976 allows independent setting of Large or Small as I choose. Of course if I happen across another B1.39 or two more Evidence subs, well...

    I'll cross that bridge when I get there. Tony
    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED
    Outlaw Audio 975 Pre/Pro
    Samsung BDP, DirecTV Rcvr, Xbox 360, Dennon LDP, Phillips CD chgr

    Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside; CC outside
    BJC 10 ga - LCR mids, inside & out
    8 ga Powerline - LR woofers, inside & out

    LR: tri-amped RTi A7. Woofers, Rotel 98X amp; M & T, P'sound HCA-1000
    CC: Rotel RB985 -> tri-amped CSi A6
    5 Audio Pro Subs: 1 B1.39: 1 Evidence at each corner
    Surrounds: Hafler XL280 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3*
    Power Conditioning & Distribution:
    3 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 4 Furman Miniport 20s
    *Bi-amped by years end
  • gp4jesus wrote: »
    The two Surround subs are just 12.5" cubed -

    The smallest dimension on my subs are 24".
  • honestaquarianhonestaquarian Posts: 1,971
    Two subs were definitely better than one. Three were certainly better than two. Now let’s see how number four pans out. B) o:)
    Living room Home theater: Upgrade Company modified Onkyo PR-SC5509,Sunfire Cinema grand Signature 5 channel amp(1st gen),Carver TFM-45,Carver M-400a,Panasonic TC-P50ST60 50" Plasma(last gen before Plasma production stopped)Pioneer Elite DVL-91,Meridian 519 Dolby AC-3 RF Demodulator,Oppo Digital UDP-205,TiVo Bolt VOX,Nakamich BX-300,Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type VxMR cartridge,Polk SDA-SRS 3.1 TL(with RD-0198 tweeters, upgraded with Larry's rings, black hole5,an Avel-Lindberg 1000VA isolation transformer, VR3 customer crossovers and internal wiring),Polk CS-1000P(with SL-6506 tweeter),Polk Monitor 5jr(with RD-0194 tweeters),Polk RT-35i (1),Polk Mini Monitors,Polk PSW150(4)Monster Power HTPS 7000 MKII Signature series,Monster Power AVS 2000 Signature Series,Various MIT,Monster,Upgrade Company and Belden interconnect,power,HDMI,Coax and Toslink Digital and speaker cables.

    Bedroom 2 channel system:Integra DTM 40.4,Nakamichi BX-100,TiVo mini,Musical Fidelity X-LPS,X-PSU,Carver TFM-25,Sony KV-34XBR970(last of the widescreen tube sets before production stopped)Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type V MR cartridge,Polk RT-55(with SL-6506 tweeters),Polk PSW-200 in plexiglass(2),Sony Playstation 3 slim.Monster Power HTPS-7000,Monster AVS-2000, PowerVarious Kimber,Audioquest and MIT interconnects and speaker cables.
  • gp4jesusgp4jesus Posts: 1,162
    Two subs were definitely better than one. Three were certainly better than two. Now let’s see how number four pans out. B) o:)
    These days each “corner” has its own sub - by EXO for their respective channel. Further, a 5th sub, good to 20hz, connected to my Prepro’s sub out - performing LFE & the CC’s heavy lifting.

    Crazy? Maybe but movies & music are a real kick.

    Side note: some one earlier comented about “Interstellar*” popping breakers. Is that* a movie?

    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED
    Outlaw Audio 975 Pre/Pro
    Samsung BDP, DirecTV Rcvr, Xbox 360, Dennon LDP, Phillips CD chgr

    Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside; CC outside
    BJC 10 ga - LCR mids, inside & out
    8 ga Powerline - LR woofers, inside & out

    LR: tri-amped RTi A7. Woofers, Rotel 98X amp; M & T, P'sound HCA-1000
    CC: Rotel RB985 -> tri-amped CSi A6
    5 Audio Pro Subs: 1 B1.39: 1 Evidence at each corner
    Surrounds: Hafler XL280 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3*
    Power Conditioning & Distribution:
    3 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 4 Furman Miniport 20s
    *Bi-amped by years end
  • Airplay355Airplay355 Posts: 4,248
    edited July 1
    Yes sir, sure is

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816692/

    You guys must have some serious theater rooms. I can't imagine using another sub. I'm afraid the windows are going to blow out as it is.
  • honestaquarianhonestaquarian Posts: 1,971
    Airplay355 wrote: »
    Yes sir, sure is

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816692/

    You guys must have some serious theater rooms. I can't imagine using another sub. I'm afraid the windows are going to blow out as it is.

    @Airplay355 It's not about getting more bass necessarily. Multiple subs will work to break up the standing wave issue that ALL rooms have and therefore give you BETTER bass. That plus the fact that more means that each one doesn't have to work as hard.
    So it isn't just about maximum output (although for some bass heads it might be) It's about smoother frequency response and better quality bass that isn't being mucked up by the room.
    Living room Home theater: Upgrade Company modified Onkyo PR-SC5509,Sunfire Cinema grand Signature 5 channel amp(1st gen),Carver TFM-45,Carver M-400a,Panasonic TC-P50ST60 50" Plasma(last gen before Plasma production stopped)Pioneer Elite DVL-91,Meridian 519 Dolby AC-3 RF Demodulator,Oppo Digital UDP-205,TiVo Bolt VOX,Nakamich BX-300,Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type VxMR cartridge,Polk SDA-SRS 3.1 TL(with RD-0198 tweeters, upgraded with Larry's rings, black hole5,an Avel-Lindberg 1000VA isolation transformer, VR3 customer crossovers and internal wiring),Polk CS-1000P(with SL-6506 tweeter),Polk Monitor 5jr(with RD-0194 tweeters),Polk RT-35i (1),Polk Mini Monitors,Polk PSW150(4)Monster Power HTPS 7000 MKII Signature series,Monster Power AVS 2000 Signature Series,Various MIT,Monster,Upgrade Company and Belden interconnect,power,HDMI,Coax and Toslink Digital and speaker cables.

    Bedroom 2 channel system:Integra DTM 40.4,Nakamichi BX-100,TiVo mini,Musical Fidelity X-LPS,X-PSU,Carver TFM-25,Sony KV-34XBR970(last of the widescreen tube sets before production stopped)Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type V MR cartridge,Polk RT-55(with SL-6506 tweeters),Polk PSW-200 in plexiglass(2),Sony Playstation 3 slim.Monster Power HTPS-7000,Monster AVS-2000, PowerVarious Kimber,Audioquest and MIT interconnects and speaker cables.
  • gp4jesusgp4jesus Posts: 1,162
    @Airplay355 It's not about getting more bass necessarily. Multiple subs will work to break up the standing wave issue that ALL rooms have and therefore give you BETTER bass. That plus the fact that more means that each one doesn't have to work as hard.

    So it isn't just about maximum output (although for some bass heads it might be) It's about smoother frequency response and better quality bass that isn't being mucked up by the room.
    “Yup!” (and therefore) “I’m not a bass head.”

    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED
    Outlaw Audio 975 Pre/Pro
    Samsung BDP, DirecTV Rcvr, Xbox 360, Dennon LDP, Phillips CD chgr

    Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside; CC outside
    BJC 10 ga - LCR mids, inside & out
    8 ga Powerline - LR woofers, inside & out

    LR: tri-amped RTi A7. Woofers, Rotel 98X amp; M & T, P'sound HCA-1000
    CC: Rotel RB985 -> tri-amped CSi A6
    5 Audio Pro Subs: 1 B1.39: 1 Evidence at each corner
    Surrounds: Hafler XL280 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3*
    Power Conditioning & Distribution:
    3 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 4 Furman Miniport 20s
    *Bi-amped by years end
  • honestaquarianhonestaquarian Posts: 1,971
    gp4jesus wrote: »
    Two subs were definitely better than one. Three were certainly better than two. Now let’s see how number four pans out. B) o:)
    These days each “corner” has its own sub - by EXO for their respective channel. Further, a 5th sub, good to 20hz, connected to my Prepro’s sub out - performing LFE & the CC’s heavy lifting.

    Crazy? Maybe but movies & music are a real kick.

    Side note: some one earlier comented about “Interstellar*” popping breakers. Is that* a movie?

    Hey @gp4jesus
    Since my CS1000p center has built in subs with power ports, does technically mean I have five also?
    Living room Home theater: Upgrade Company modified Onkyo PR-SC5509,Sunfire Cinema grand Signature 5 channel amp(1st gen),Carver TFM-45,Carver M-400a,Panasonic TC-P50ST60 50" Plasma(last gen before Plasma production stopped)Pioneer Elite DVL-91,Meridian 519 Dolby AC-3 RF Demodulator,Oppo Digital UDP-205,TiVo Bolt VOX,Nakamich BX-300,Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type VxMR cartridge,Polk SDA-SRS 3.1 TL(with RD-0198 tweeters, upgraded with Larry's rings, black hole5,an Avel-Lindberg 1000VA isolation transformer, VR3 customer crossovers and internal wiring),Polk CS-1000P(with SL-6506 tweeter),Polk Monitor 5jr(with RD-0194 tweeters),Polk RT-35i (1),Polk Mini Monitors,Polk PSW150(4)Monster Power HTPS 7000 MKII Signature series,Monster Power AVS 2000 Signature Series,Various MIT,Monster,Upgrade Company and Belden interconnect,power,HDMI,Coax and Toslink Digital and speaker cables.

    Bedroom 2 channel system:Integra DTM 40.4,Nakamichi BX-100,TiVo mini,Musical Fidelity X-LPS,X-PSU,Carver TFM-25,Sony KV-34XBR970(last of the widescreen tube sets before production stopped)Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type V MR cartridge,Polk RT-55(with SL-6506 tweeters),Polk PSW-200 in plexiglass(2),Sony Playstation 3 slim.Monster Power HTPS-7000,Monster AVS-2000, PowerVarious Kimber,Audioquest and MIT interconnects and speaker cables.
  • honestaquarianhonestaquarian Posts: 1,971
    Okay all four subs (*well five if you wamt to include the subs in the CS1000p center speaker*) are set up and running. Four is DEFINITELY BETTER than two! I'm not hearing as many issues with the usual room induced peaks and valleys (caused by standing waves) AND there seems to be a bit more impact on transients that I didn't expect to hear-like sudden sounds that come out of nowhere that they love to mix into movie soundtracks in order to startle you. Something falling to the floor for example.
    Living room Home theater: Upgrade Company modified Onkyo PR-SC5509,Sunfire Cinema grand Signature 5 channel amp(1st gen),Carver TFM-45,Carver M-400a,Panasonic TC-P50ST60 50" Plasma(last gen before Plasma production stopped)Pioneer Elite DVL-91,Meridian 519 Dolby AC-3 RF Demodulator,Oppo Digital UDP-205,TiVo Bolt VOX,Nakamich BX-300,Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type VxMR cartridge,Polk SDA-SRS 3.1 TL(with RD-0198 tweeters, upgraded with Larry's rings, black hole5,an Avel-Lindberg 1000VA isolation transformer, VR3 customer crossovers and internal wiring),Polk CS-1000P(with SL-6506 tweeter),Polk Monitor 5jr(with RD-0194 tweeters),Polk RT-35i (1),Polk Mini Monitors,Polk PSW150(4)Monster Power HTPS 7000 MKII Signature series,Monster Power AVS 2000 Signature Series,Various MIT,Monster,Upgrade Company and Belden interconnect,power,HDMI,Coax and Toslink Digital and speaker cables.

    Bedroom 2 channel system:Integra DTM 40.4,Nakamichi BX-100,TiVo mini,Musical Fidelity X-LPS,X-PSU,Carver TFM-25,Sony KV-34XBR970(last of the widescreen tube sets before production stopped)Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type V MR cartridge,Polk RT-55(with SL-6506 tweeters),Polk PSW-200 in plexiglass(2),Sony Playstation 3 slim.Monster Power HTPS-7000,Monster AVS-2000, PowerVarious Kimber,Audioquest and MIT interconnects and speaker cables.
  • honestaquarianhonestaquarian Posts: 1,971
    Watching the reboot of The Mummy with Tom Cruise.
    Bass is amazing!
    Excellent transient impact and no boom whatsoever when the THX processing with the Audyssey EQ is turned on. Dolby True HD is sounding gooooood :)
    Living room Home theater: Upgrade Company modified Onkyo PR-SC5509,Sunfire Cinema grand Signature 5 channel amp(1st gen),Carver TFM-45,Carver M-400a,Panasonic TC-P50ST60 50" Plasma(last gen before Plasma production stopped)Pioneer Elite DVL-91,Meridian 519 Dolby AC-3 RF Demodulator,Oppo Digital UDP-205,TiVo Bolt VOX,Nakamich BX-300,Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type VxMR cartridge,Polk SDA-SRS 3.1 TL(with RD-0198 tweeters, upgraded with Larry's rings, black hole5,an Avel-Lindberg 1000VA isolation transformer, VR3 customer crossovers and internal wiring),Polk CS-1000P(with SL-6506 tweeter),Polk Monitor 5jr(with RD-0194 tweeters),Polk RT-35i (1),Polk Mini Monitors,Polk PSW150(4)Monster Power HTPS 7000 MKII Signature series,Monster Power AVS 2000 Signature Series,Various MIT,Monster,Upgrade Company and Belden interconnect,power,HDMI,Coax and Toslink Digital and speaker cables.

    Bedroom 2 channel system:Integra DTM 40.4,Nakamichi BX-100,TiVo mini,Musical Fidelity X-LPS,X-PSU,Carver TFM-25,Sony KV-34XBR970(last of the widescreen tube sets before production stopped)Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type V MR cartridge,Polk RT-55(with SL-6506 tweeters),Polk PSW-200 in plexiglass(2),Sony Playstation 3 slim.Monster Power HTPS-7000,Monster AVS-2000, PowerVarious Kimber,Audioquest and MIT interconnects and speaker cables.
  • gp4jesusgp4jesus Posts: 1,162
    edited July 8
    Since my CS1000p center has built in subs with power ports, does technically mean I have five also?
    I think no.

    Having a CC F3 of 35hz is great. RTi A7 & 9s “subs” dig into the low 30s too. But most would agree “they ain’t the real deal (true subs).”

    Most would agree, “...at minimum well into the 20s.” Some would argue “you’re not serious unless” you’re in the the high teens at 90+ dB, under 10% distortion.

    Tony



    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED
    Outlaw Audio 975 Pre/Pro
    Samsung BDP, DirecTV Rcvr, Xbox 360, Dennon LDP, Phillips CD chgr

    Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside; CC outside
    BJC 10 ga - LCR mids, inside & out
    8 ga Powerline - LR woofers, inside & out

    LR: tri-amped RTi A7. Woofers, Rotel 98X amp; M & T, P'sound HCA-1000
    CC: Rotel RB985 -> tri-amped CSi A6
    5 Audio Pro Subs: 1 B1.39: 1 Evidence at each corner
    Surrounds: Hafler XL280 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3*
    Power Conditioning & Distribution:
    3 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 4 Furman Miniport 20s
    *Bi-amped by years end
  • honestaquarianhonestaquarian Posts: 1,971
    gp4jesus wrote: »
    Since my CS1000p center has built in subs with power ports, does technically mean I have five also?
    I think no.

    Having a CC F3 of 35hz is great. RTi A7 & 9s “subs” dig into the low 30s too. But most would agree “they ain’t the real deal (true subs).”

    Most would agree, “...at minimum well into the 20s.” Some would argue “you’re not serious unless” you’re in the the high teens at 90+ dB, under 10% distortion.

    Tony



    Using that stringent criteria then most subs that are being sold out there in the marketplace would not qualify as true subs then.
    Oh well I’m just having fun with this (*after all fun IS what this is supposed to be all about riiiiiiiiight??*)
    Was watching Justice League on HBO yesterday with one of my former audio store bosses and there was this bass note that was really deep which partially pressurized the room. All of a sudden I can’t recall what scene it was in. I bought the 4K Blu-ray combo pack week before last and now I can’t wait to pop it in the Oppo! B)
    Living room Home theater: Upgrade Company modified Onkyo PR-SC5509,Sunfire Cinema grand Signature 5 channel amp(1st gen),Carver TFM-45,Carver M-400a,Panasonic TC-P50ST60 50" Plasma(last gen before Plasma production stopped)Pioneer Elite DVL-91,Meridian 519 Dolby AC-3 RF Demodulator,Oppo Digital UDP-205,TiVo Bolt VOX,Nakamich BX-300,Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type VxMR cartridge,Polk SDA-SRS 3.1 TL(with RD-0198 tweeters, upgraded with Larry's rings, black hole5,an Avel-Lindberg 1000VA isolation transformer, VR3 customer crossovers and internal wiring),Polk CS-1000P(with SL-6506 tweeter),Polk Monitor 5jr(with RD-0194 tweeters),Polk RT-35i (1),Polk Mini Monitors,Polk PSW150(4)Monster Power HTPS 7000 MKII Signature series,Monster Power AVS 2000 Signature Series,Various MIT,Monster,Upgrade Company and Belden interconnect,power,HDMI,Coax and Toslink Digital and speaker cables.

    Bedroom 2 channel system:Integra DTM 40.4,Nakamichi BX-100,TiVo mini,Musical Fidelity X-LPS,X-PSU,Carver TFM-25,Sony KV-34XBR970(last of the widescreen tube sets before production stopped)Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type V MR cartridge,Polk RT-55(with SL-6506 tweeters),Polk PSW-200 in plexiglass(2),Sony Playstation 3 slim.Monster Power HTPS-7000,Monster AVS-2000, PowerVarious Kimber,Audioquest and MIT interconnects and speaker cables.
  • rpf65rpf65 Posts: 1,737
    gp4jesus wrote: »
    Since my CS1000p center has built in subs with power ports, does technically mean I have five also?
    I think no.

    Having a CC F3 of 35hz is great. RTi A7 & 9s “subs” dig into the low 30s too. But most would agree “they ain’t the real deal (true subs).”

    Most would agree, “...at minimum well into the 20s.” Some would argue “you’re not serious unless” you’re in the the high teens at 90+ dB, under 10% distortion.

    Tony



    Using that stringent criteria then most subs that are being sold out there in the marketplace would not qualify as true subs then.
    Oh well I’m just having fun with this (*after all fun IS what this is supposed to be all about riiiiiiiiight??*)
    Was watching Justice League on HBO yesterday with one of my former audio store bosses and there was this bass note that was really deep which partially pressurized the room. All of a sudden I can’t recall what scene it was in. I bought the 4K Blu-ray combo pack week before last and now I can’t wait to pop it in the Oppo! B)

    Read this 4 times and guess you’re excited about your purchase, but don’t know why.
  • honestaquarianhonestaquarian Posts: 1,971
    rpf65 wrote: »
    gp4jesus wrote: »
    Since my CS1000p center has built in subs with power ports, does technically mean I have five also?
    I think no.

    Having a CC F3 of 35hz is great. RTi A7 & 9s “subs” dig into the low 30s too. But most would agree “they ain’t the real deal (true subs).”

    Most would agree, “...at minimum well into the 20s.” Some would argue “you’re not serious unless” you’re in the the high teens at 90+ dB, under 10% distortion.

    Tony



    Using that stringent criteria then most subs that are being sold out there in the marketplace would not qualify as true subs then.
    Oh well I’m just having fun with this (*after all fun IS what this is supposed to be all about riiiiiiiiight??*)
    Was watching Justice League on HBO yesterday with one of my former audio store bosses and there was this bass note that was really deep which partially pressurized the room. All of a sudden I can’t recall what scene it was in. I bought the 4K Blu-ray combo pack week before last and now I can’t wait to pop it in the Oppo! B)

    Read this 4 times and guess you’re excited about your purchase, but don’t know why.

    @rpf65 Neither do I. I'm just happy!
    I guess that makes me a bad man??? :'(
    Living room Home theater: Upgrade Company modified Onkyo PR-SC5509,Sunfire Cinema grand Signature 5 channel amp(1st gen),Carver TFM-45,Carver M-400a,Panasonic TC-P50ST60 50" Plasma(last gen before Plasma production stopped)Pioneer Elite DVL-91,Meridian 519 Dolby AC-3 RF Demodulator,Oppo Digital UDP-205,TiVo Bolt VOX,Nakamich BX-300,Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type VxMR cartridge,Polk SDA-SRS 3.1 TL(with RD-0198 tweeters, upgraded with Larry's rings, black hole5,an Avel-Lindberg 1000VA isolation transformer, VR3 customer crossovers and internal wiring),Polk CS-1000P(with SL-6506 tweeter),Polk Monitor 5jr(with RD-0194 tweeters),Polk RT-35i (1),Polk Mini Monitors,Polk PSW150(4)Monster Power HTPS 7000 MKII Signature series,Monster Power AVS 2000 Signature Series,Various MIT,Monster,Upgrade Company and Belden interconnect,power,HDMI,Coax and Toslink Digital and speaker cables.

    Bedroom 2 channel system:Integra DTM 40.4,Nakamichi BX-100,TiVo mini,Musical Fidelity X-LPS,X-PSU,Carver TFM-25,Sony KV-34XBR970(last of the widescreen tube sets before production stopped)Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type V MR cartridge,Polk RT-55(with SL-6506 tweeters),Polk PSW-200 in plexiglass(2),Sony Playstation 3 slim.Monster Power HTPS-7000,Monster AVS-2000, PowerVarious Kimber,Audioquest and MIT interconnects and speaker cables.
  • rpf65rpf65 Posts: 1,737
    If you’re so happy about audio that you confuse yourself, you’re in the right place.

    That sounds like something between a motto and a maxim.
  • ZLTFULZLTFUL Posts: 4,573
    Now watch "A Quiet Place"...it has some dips that rival the sine wave signal at the beginning of "Edge of Tomorrow"
    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

    "Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
  • gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 6,284
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    Now watch "A Quiet Place"...it has some dips that rival the sine wave signal at the beginning of "Edge of Tomorrow"

    Just got the 4K release of this movie not sure if we were going to watch it on the big rig or the bedroom rig, with out the characters being able to speak, is it worth a go in 7.2 then due to sound effects?
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  • honestaquarianhonestaquarian Posts: 1,971
    @ZLTFUL @gudnoyez
    What is that movie about again??
    Living room Home theater: Upgrade Company modified Onkyo PR-SC5509,Sunfire Cinema grand Signature 5 channel amp(1st gen),Carver TFM-45,Carver M-400a,Panasonic TC-P50ST60 50" Plasma(last gen before Plasma production stopped)Pioneer Elite DVL-91,Meridian 519 Dolby AC-3 RF Demodulator,Oppo Digital UDP-205,TiVo Bolt VOX,Nakamich BX-300,Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type VxMR cartridge,Polk SDA-SRS 3.1 TL(with RD-0198 tweeters, upgraded with Larry's rings, black hole5,an Avel-Lindberg 1000VA isolation transformer, VR3 customer crossovers and internal wiring),Polk CS-1000P(with SL-6506 tweeter),Polk Monitor 5jr(with RD-0194 tweeters),Polk RT-35i (1),Polk Mini Monitors,Polk PSW150(4)Monster Power HTPS 7000 MKII Signature series,Monster Power AVS 2000 Signature Series,Various MIT,Monster,Upgrade Company and Belden interconnect,power,HDMI,Coax and Toslink Digital and speaker cables.

    Bedroom 2 channel system:Integra DTM 40.4,Nakamichi BX-100,TiVo mini,Musical Fidelity X-LPS,X-PSU,Carver TFM-25,Sony KV-34XBR970(last of the widescreen tube sets before production stopped)Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type V MR cartridge,Polk RT-55(with SL-6506 tweeters),Polk PSW-200 in plexiglass(2),Sony Playstation 3 slim.Monster Power HTPS-7000,Monster AVS-2000, PowerVarious Kimber,Audioquest and MIT interconnects and speaker cables.
  • ZLTFULZLTFUL Posts: 4,573
    Horror flick...monsters that hunt by sound.

    Steve, the ambient noises make it a good atmospheric movie. Lots of other animals and noises to hear and when the monsters are moving around in the woods or a corn field, it produces a lot of surround effect.
    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

    "Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 484
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    Now watch "A Quiet Place"...it has some dips that rival the sine wave signal at the beginning of "Edge of Tomorrow"

    Was the first full movie we watched after getting my beast, scared the crap out of the whole family, not for the content (which was bad by any means) but by the sound mixing. It was fantastic.
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  • honestaquarianhonestaquarian Posts: 1,971
    Watched James Bond Die another Day first on cable. Then halfway through decided to pull out the DVD and listen to the 6.1 channel DTS-ES mix. I DO NOT remember it sounding like this!!
    Living room Home theater: Upgrade Company modified Onkyo PR-SC5509,Sunfire Cinema grand Signature 5 channel amp(1st gen),Carver TFM-45,Carver M-400a,Panasonic TC-P50ST60 50" Plasma(last gen before Plasma production stopped)Pioneer Elite DVL-91,Meridian 519 Dolby AC-3 RF Demodulator,Oppo Digital UDP-205,TiVo Bolt VOX,Nakamich BX-300,Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type VxMR cartridge,Polk SDA-SRS 3.1 TL(with RD-0198 tweeters, upgraded with Larry's rings, black hole5,an Avel-Lindberg 1000VA isolation transformer, VR3 customer crossovers and internal wiring),Polk CS-1000P(with SL-6506 tweeter),Polk Monitor 5jr(with RD-0194 tweeters),Polk RT-35i (1),Polk Mini Monitors,Polk PSW150(4)Monster Power HTPS 7000 MKII Signature series,Monster Power AVS 2000 Signature Series,Various MIT,Monster,Upgrade Company and Belden interconnect,power,HDMI,Coax and Toslink Digital and speaker cables.

    Bedroom 2 channel system:Integra DTM 40.4,Nakamichi BX-100,TiVo mini,Musical Fidelity X-LPS,X-PSU,Carver TFM-25,Sony KV-34XBR970(last of the widescreen tube sets before production stopped)Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type V MR cartridge,Polk RT-55(with SL-6506 tweeters),Polk PSW-200 in plexiglass(2),Sony Playstation 3 slim.Monster Power HTPS-7000,Monster AVS-2000, PowerVarious Kimber,Audioquest and MIT interconnects and speaker cables.
  • polrbehrpolrbehr Posts: 2,113
    Watched James Bond Die another Day first on cable. Then halfway through decided to pull out the DVD and listen to the 6.1 channel DTS-ES mix. I DO NOT remember it sounding like this!!

    I am still waiting for some of the "cons" to appear in this thread :wink:

    Sounds like you're enjoying the H e l l out of your system there @honestaquarian
    So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?


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  • honestaquarianhonestaquarian Posts: 1,971
    polrbehr wrote: »
    Watched James Bond Die another Day first on cable. Then halfway through decided to pull out the DVD and listen to the 6.1 channel DTS-ES mix. I DO NOT remember it sounding like this!!

    I am still waiting for some of the "cons" to appear in this thread :wink:

    Sounds like you're enjoying the H e l l out of your system there @honestaquarian

    Oh yeah the CONS part!
    Uuuuuuuuuhhhhhh four subs take up more space than one or two???
    Living room Home theater: Upgrade Company modified Onkyo PR-SC5509,Sunfire Cinema grand Signature 5 channel amp(1st gen),Carver TFM-45,Carver M-400a,Panasonic TC-P50ST60 50" Plasma(last gen before Plasma production stopped)Pioneer Elite DVL-91,Meridian 519 Dolby AC-3 RF Demodulator,Oppo Digital UDP-205,TiVo Bolt VOX,Nakamich BX-300,Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type VxMR cartridge,Polk SDA-SRS 3.1 TL(with RD-0198 tweeters, upgraded with Larry's rings, black hole5,an Avel-Lindberg 1000VA isolation transformer, VR3 customer crossovers and internal wiring),Polk CS-1000P(with SL-6506 tweeter),Polk Monitor 5jr(with RD-0194 tweeters),Polk RT-35i (1),Polk Mini Monitors,Polk PSW150(4)Monster Power HTPS 7000 MKII Signature series,Monster Power AVS 2000 Signature Series,Various MIT,Monster,Upgrade Company and Belden interconnect,power,HDMI,Coax and Toslink Digital and speaker cables.

    Bedroom 2 channel system:Integra DTM 40.4,Nakamichi BX-100,TiVo mini,Musical Fidelity X-LPS,X-PSU,Carver TFM-25,Sony KV-34XBR970(last of the widescreen tube sets before production stopped)Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type V MR cartridge,Polk RT-55(with SL-6506 tweeters),Polk PSW-200 in plexiglass(2),Sony Playstation 3 slim.Monster Power HTPS-7000,Monster AVS-2000, PowerVarious Kimber,Audioquest and MIT interconnects and speaker cables.
  • rpf65rpf65 Posts: 1,737
    The only con I can think of for multiple suds is more things to dust.
  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 1,804
    Hmm, cons... well, when I had dual subs there was way too much bass for my small room, which ended up making it kind of muddy and undefined. But I have a small room, so my experience probably doesn’t apply.
    You guys probably have subs costing 10x my entire system as well, so it applies even less :lol:
    Not Tom, or Trey, or Jim
    Main setup:
    Speakers are one of three, Mission Freedom 770 IV’s, Polk LSi25’s, or Polk SDA-CRS (stock XO, SL2000’s, Blade/Blade model). Electronics are as follows: for the LSi’s and SDA’s, a Technics SU-v75 acting as a phono preamp, into a Yamaha RX-v665, into a Crown XLi800 power amplifier. For the Missions, I have a Lafayette LR-1100. Turntable is a Technics SL-3200, with a Shure M97xE. Cables are generic/soon to be replaced garbage.
    An old post I found on AK, from 2013.
    I've always thought the goal of high end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.
  • honestaquarianhonestaquarian Posts: 1,971
    edited July 26
    mlistens03 wrote: »
    Hmm, cons... well, when I had dual subs there was way too much bass for my small room, which ended up making it kind of muddy and undefined. But I have a small room, so my experience probably doesn’t apply.
    You guys probably have subs costing 10x my entire system as well, so it applies even less :lol:

    @mlistens03
    TURN YOUR SUBS DOWN!!!
    I have stereo subs in my bedroom (2 PSW-200’s in the plexiglass enclosures) and that is what taught me that valuable lesson. Once I turned the volume on the subs way down, they stopped overloading the room and exciting all of the room modes so much and everything sounded MUCH BETTER. My bedroom is very small, hence the overload issue. That taught me to do the same when I started getting more subs in the living room theater system (*well that and the Audyssey set up has you setting them for 75 Decibel volume level which is pretty low*)
    Living room Home theater: Upgrade Company modified Onkyo PR-SC5509,Sunfire Cinema grand Signature 5 channel amp(1st gen),Carver TFM-45,Carver M-400a,Panasonic TC-P50ST60 50" Plasma(last gen before Plasma production stopped)Pioneer Elite DVL-91,Meridian 519 Dolby AC-3 RF Demodulator,Oppo Digital UDP-205,TiVo Bolt VOX,Nakamich BX-300,Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type VxMR cartridge,Polk SDA-SRS 3.1 TL(with RD-0198 tweeters, upgraded with Larry's rings, black hole5,an Avel-Lindberg 1000VA isolation transformer, VR3 customer crossovers and internal wiring),Polk CS-1000P(with SL-6506 tweeter),Polk Monitor 5jr(with RD-0194 tweeters),Polk RT-35i (1),Polk Mini Monitors,Polk PSW150(4)Monster Power HTPS 7000 MKII Signature series,Monster Power AVS 2000 Signature Series,Various MIT,Monster,Upgrade Company and Belden interconnect,power,HDMI,Coax and Toslink Digital and speaker cables.

    Bedroom 2 channel system:Integra DTM 40.4,Nakamichi BX-100,TiVo mini,Musical Fidelity X-LPS,X-PSU,Carver TFM-25,Sony KV-34XBR970(last of the widescreen tube sets before production stopped)Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type V MR cartridge,Polk RT-55(with SL-6506 tweeters),Polk PSW-200 in plexiglass(2),Sony Playstation 3 slim.Monster Power HTPS-7000,Monster AVS-2000, PowerVarious Kimber,Audioquest and MIT interconnects and speaker cables.
  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 1,804
    mlistens03 wrote: »
    Hmm, cons... well, when I had dual subs there was way too much bass for my small room, which ended up making it kind of muddy and undefined. But I have a small room, so my experience probably doesn’t apply.
    You guys probably have subs costing 10x my entire system as well, so it applies even less :lol:

    @mlistens03
    TURN YOUR SUBS DOWN!!!
    I have stereo subs in my bedroom (2 PSW-200’s in the plexiglass enclosures) and that is what taught me that valuable lesson. Once I turned the volume on the subs way down, they stopped overloading the room and exciting all of the room modes so much and everything sounded MUCH BETTER.

    They didn’t go low enough! By the time I got them to almost perfect, they would cut out completely. I guess that’s my fault for having too big of subs, when I switched back to one, it was better.
    So just saying, if you have giant subs and a pretty small room, then it may not work well. Otherwise, two subs are better in every way (except space saving) but in my 12x13 or so room, two super powerful tens were just too much.
    Not Tom, or Trey, or Jim
    Main setup:
    Speakers are one of three, Mission Freedom 770 IV’s, Polk LSi25’s, or Polk SDA-CRS (stock XO, SL2000’s, Blade/Blade model). Electronics are as follows: for the LSi’s and SDA’s, a Technics SU-v75 acting as a phono preamp, into a Yamaha RX-v665, into a Crown XLi800 power amplifier. For the Missions, I have a Lafayette LR-1100. Turntable is a Technics SL-3200, with a Shure M97xE. Cables are generic/soon to be replaced garbage.
    An old post I found on AK, from 2013.
    I've always thought the goal of high end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.
  • honestaquarianhonestaquarian Posts: 1,971
    4 PSW-150’s in the living room and 2 PSW-200’s in the bedroom. Multiple smaller subs almost always work better than larger ones (exceptions to every rule obviously) These are not expensive subs and I got them on eBay used every one.
    Living room Home theater: Upgrade Company modified Onkyo PR-SC5509,Sunfire Cinema grand Signature 5 channel amp(1st gen),Carver TFM-45,Carver M-400a,Panasonic TC-P50ST60 50" Plasma(last gen before Plasma production stopped)Pioneer Elite DVL-91,Meridian 519 Dolby AC-3 RF Demodulator,Oppo Digital UDP-205,TiVo Bolt VOX,Nakamich BX-300,Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type VxMR cartridge,Polk SDA-SRS 3.1 TL(with RD-0198 tweeters, upgraded with Larry's rings, black hole5,an Avel-Lindberg 1000VA isolation transformer, VR3 customer crossovers and internal wiring),Polk CS-1000P(with SL-6506 tweeter),Polk Monitor 5jr(with RD-0194 tweeters),Polk RT-35i (1),Polk Mini Monitors,Polk PSW150(4)Monster Power HTPS 7000 MKII Signature series,Monster Power AVS 2000 Signature Series,Various MIT,Monster,Upgrade Company and Belden interconnect,power,HDMI,Coax and Toslink Digital and speaker cables.

    Bedroom 2 channel system:Integra DTM 40.4,Nakamichi BX-100,TiVo mini,Musical Fidelity X-LPS,X-PSU,Carver TFM-25,Sony KV-34XBR970(last of the widescreen tube sets before production stopped)Technics SL-1200MKII,Shure V15 Type V MR cartridge,Polk RT-55(with SL-6506 tweeters),Polk PSW-200 in plexiglass(2),Sony Playstation 3 slim.Monster Power HTPS-7000,Monster AVS-2000, PowerVarious Kimber,Audioquest and MIT interconnects and speaker cables.
  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 1,804
    4 PSW-150’s in the living room and 2 PSW-200’s in the bedroom. Multiple smaller subs almost always work better than larger ones (exceptions to every rule obviously) These are not expensive subs and I got them on eBay used every one.

    I know that, but at the time I was planning on getting mains that would cover the bass frequencies better. Now I’m heading towards the idea of a small set of speakers and two small 6 inch subs or something (like the Polk MicroPro subs, those are 8 inch subs, yes?)
    Not Tom, or Trey, or Jim
    Main setup:
    Speakers are one of three, Mission Freedom 770 IV’s, Polk LSi25’s, or Polk SDA-CRS (stock XO, SL2000’s, Blade/Blade model). Electronics are as follows: for the LSi’s and SDA’s, a Technics SU-v75 acting as a phono preamp, into a Yamaha RX-v665, into a Crown XLi800 power amplifier. For the Missions, I have a Lafayette LR-1100. Turntable is a Technics SL-3200, with a Shure M97xE. Cables are generic/soon to be replaced garbage.
    An old post I found on AK, from 2013.
    I've always thought the goal of high end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.
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