SACD & Marantz?

Have a Marantz SR 5011 AVR & Oppo UDP 203. Trying to play a SACD. Appears Oppo is reading disc. Can Marantz play that signal?

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  • nbrowsernbrowser Posts: 6,264
    Yep, just make sure the Oppo is connected to the SR5011 via HDMI and select the right input.
  • UpstatemaxUpstatemax Posts: 1,931
    edited March 12
    Just make sure that the SR5011 will accept DSD over HDMI (it should). Only thing I could easily find for it was that it will accept DSD signals over USB.

    Also, make sure you don't have to use a specific HDMI out on the Oppo 203 to output the DSD signal.

    I can't remember what one it is on my 103, but only one of the two HDMI outputs will output DSD.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 27,202
    He could also use the analog outs on the Oppo if he has it set up that way.
  • nbrowsernbrowser Posts: 6,264
    tonyb wrote: »
    He could also use the analog outs on the Oppo if he has it set up that way.

    True...but even my BDP93 and SR5010 thru HDMI worked on the first crack, even better after I told the Oppo to only output SACD in stereo.
  • UpstatemaxUpstatemax Posts: 1,931
    nbrowser wrote: »
    True...but even my BDP93 and SR5010 thru HDMI worked on the first crack, even better after I told the Oppo to only output SACD in stereo.

    I guess it would depend on what DAC you would want to use.

    Analog outs, Oppo's built in DAC is doing the work. HDMI out can let the Marantz's DAC do the work.

    I know you know that, but I'm not sure the OP does...


  • nbrowsernbrowser Posts: 6,264
    Upstatemax wrote: »
    nbrowser wrote: »
    True...but even my BDP93 and SR5010 thru HDMI worked on the first crack, even better after I told the Oppo to only output SACD in stereo.

    I guess it would depend on what DAC you would want to use.

    Analog outs, Oppo's built in DAC is doing the work. HDMI out can let the Marantz's DAC do the work.

    I know you know that, but I'm not sure the OP does...


    Very true, that said though I prefer letting the Marantz do the decoding over the 93, sounds a bit better to my ears at least.
  • UpstatemaxUpstatemax Posts: 1,931
    nbrowser wrote: »
    Very true, that said though I prefer letting the Marantz do the decoding over the 93, sounds a bit better to my ears at least.

    It depends on what system my Oppo 103 is residing in.

    If it's in the HT, I prefer the SC-87's DAC. I just let the Oppo act as a transport and media server.

    In my 2ch, I like the Oppo's DAC over the P5's. However, I HAVE to let the Oppo do the decoding for SACD in my 2ch system. Either way, I still prefer the Oppo's DAC for all playback over the P5's.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 27,202
    Sounds more and more like a case of "read the manual". Most likely a set up issue in the players settings.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 25
    edited March 14
    Forget both those players Kingkwas, I'd wait for the new Oppo UDP-205 & get it sent to Dan Wright (Modwright) for truth mods. He is planning on offering his usual two-chassis tube mod with truth umbilical & said it will be his best mod ever. He is also offering a lesser cost single chassis solid state mod which will also be very good. I plan to go for the single chassis mods with the Bybee Music Rail upgrade. On top of that I plan on adding Telos Quantum stickers in strategic locations ;).
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 37,312
    edited March 14
    He has the Oppo UDP-203 already, the Marantz is his AVR.

    Edit: corrected.
  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 6,841
    F1nut wrote: »
    He has the Oppo UDP-205 already, the Marantz is his AVR........hello!

    The 205 isn't out yet. Hello! :p
  • nbrowsernbrowser Posts: 6,264
    edited March 14
    F1nut wrote: »
    He has the Oppo UDP-205 already, the Marantz is his AVR........hello!

    Read the Op again....UDP-203 is mentioned...HELLO! :)
  • lightman1lightman1 Posts: 8,022
    Howdy!

    Friendly bunch 'round these parts.
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 37,312
    edited March 14
    LOL......203, 205 what's the difference, it's an Oppo.
  • nbrowsernbrowser Posts: 6,264
    F1nut wrote: »
    LOL......203, 205 what's the difference, it's an Oppo.

    I'm thinkin someone around here is a blind old guy...and I'm fairly well stocked up on vowels :smiley:
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 27,202
    nbrowser wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    LOL......203, 205 what's the difference, it's an Oppo.

    I'm thinkin someone around here is a blind old guy...

    Woohoo !! I'm off the list. Jessie took my spot.....woooohooo !!!

  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 37,312
    Not so fast there Tony, there's no i in my name.
  • voltzvoltz Posts: 4,370
    ^^^^
    Just ask Carly Simon
  • KingkwasKingkwas Posts: 28
    Thanks everyone for the input. I talked to some Oppo support folks. Played some with the settings but honestly didn't do anything. Put everything back to the way I found it. It just randomly starting working.

    I know my setup isn't true audiophile yet (Polk LSiM 703 bookshelf, Marantz AVR (BiAmp'd & Oppo player) but can not tell much (if any) difference between a CD & SACD. Maybe some but its not revolutionary.

    Thoughts?
  • rpf65rpf65 Posts: 1,325
    What cables are you using?
  • KingkwasKingkwas Posts: 28
    rpf65 wrote: »
    What cables are you using?

    All HDMI
  • UpstatemaxUpstatemax Posts: 1,931
    Don't expect mind blowing differences. It's all in the details.

    I've typically found less smearing of the soundstage, better overall dynamics and greater detail with SACD.

    A lot of it can depend on what SACD you're listening to, not all are created equal...

  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 37,312
    Kingkwas wrote: »
    rpf65 wrote: »
    What cables are you using?

    All HDMI

    I'm that case you are using the DAC in your AVR. Try using RCA cables, which will utilize the DAC in the Oppo.
  • KingkwasKingkwas Posts: 28
    Update 2.0: Continue to have issues. Been back and forth with Oppo. Connected via HDMI. Will not play SACD. Plays everything else. Randomly on 4th try it started to play SACD. For no reason it just plays sometimes. Will try again tomorrow. Did install a new HDMI cable. Not sure that is it because it can play 4k DVDs fine. Also plays CDs just fine.
  • KingkwasKingkwas Posts: 28
    Might also be a change in "Audio Output" settings. Changing to bitstream might have done something. Not sure. Need to test again. What is bitstream?
  • rednedtugentrednedtugent Posts: 9,865
    edited June 19
    = Donald Trump tweets?

    not good on Oppo as I was trying to get worked up about the 205...
    though it could be an Marantz issue as well.
  • voltzvoltz Posts: 4,370
    Kingkwas wrote: »
    Update 2.0: Continue to have issues. Been back and forth with Oppo. Connected via HDMI. Will not play SACD. Plays everything else. Randomly on 4th try it started to play SACD. For no reason it just plays sometimes. Will try again tomorrow. Did install a new HDMI cable. Not sure that is it because it can play 4k DVDs fine. Also plays CDs just fine.

    This happened with my NAD 758 AVR & my Oppo 103, If the Oppo was set to Auto I could hear the SACD but it was playing as a PCM via HDMI

    If I told the to force (not auto select) SACD and I got no sound, because my NAD AVR could not decode DSD.

    So I hooked it up via Analog cables as Tony suggested so that the OPPO's DAC decoded the DSD file for me and I had sound that was actually DSD not PCM..
  • KingkwasKingkwas Posts: 28
    voltz wrote: »
    Kingkwas wrote: »
    Update 2.0: Continue to have issues. Been back and forth with Oppo. Connected via HDMI. Will not play SACD. Plays everything else. Randomly on 4th try it started to play SACD. For no reason it just plays sometimes. Will try again tomorrow. Did install a new HDMI cable. Not sure that is it because it can play 4k DVDs fine. Also plays CDs just fine.

    This happened with my NAD 758 AVR & my Oppo 103, If the Oppo was set to Auto I could hear the SACD but it was playing as a PCM via HDMI

    If I told the to force (not auto select) SACD and I got no sound, because my NAD AVR could not decode DSD.

    So I hooked it up via Analog cables as Tony suggested so that the OPPO's DAC decoded the DSD file for me and I had sound that was actually DSD not PCM..

    What is the difference between DSD and PCM?
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 6,565
    edited June 19
    Clocking rate

    Scroll down to pcm- dsd

    http://www.mojo-audio.com/blog/dsd-vs-pcm-myth-vs-truth/
  • BlueBirdMusicBlueBirdMusic Registered User Posts: 213
    From Marantz website re HDMI features for SR5011. Notice the "X" beside DSD.

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    From Marantz website and SR5011 manual. Tony and Voltz gave you the answer - use analog cables (RCA L/R) to the AVR from the Oppo.

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