The HDMI Arms Race - get ready for HDMI 2.1

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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,906
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    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    for one according to the audio mags I read there is not a standard for HDR yet. Many of the "HDR" compatible components are not compatible with other brands. It's a very gray area at the moment. If you choose to chase the newest anything audio you could loose a lot of money in your pursuit.

    Bingo, because by chasing the latest and greatest, you also pay top dollar for it. Then you get it home and find out it won't work with xyz brand....but a future update is coming, don't know when, but it's coming. By the time it comes, your outdated somewhere else and it becomes a never ending cycle.

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  • tonyb
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    Well, couple things.....

    1- any receiver, even older dolby 5.1 with an optical connection will play 5.1 over Comcast coming in.

    2- Those TV reviews you have to read with a grain of salt. Most problems are from people not setting them up correctly.....AND they don't set them up correctly because they don't provide a frickin' manual anymore. I mean like nothing....they expect you to go online and figure it out.
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  • mhardy6647
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    tonyb wrote: »
    ...AND they don't set them up correctly because they don't provide a frickin' manual anymore. I mean like nothing....they expect you to go online and figure it out.

    So, I guess that means that "RTFM" is as archaic now as "Kilroy was here" or "23-skiddoo" or the quaint notion of "dialing" the telephone, eh?

    ;)

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  • rpf65
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    Think you may want to look at operating instructions on any high end receiver. They run many hundred pages. For instance the complaint of ARC not working, is simply because most people don't enable it.

    Most of open box receivers you get at BB are for reasons similar to this. People think there is something wrong, and is usually because something wasn't set up per manufacturers instructions.

    Of course this is both a good and bad thing. You not reading manuals and return a perfectly good AVR. Me getting a pretty good discount, doing a factory reset, read the manual, and set it up correctly for my needs.
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  • gp4jesus
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    tonyb wrote: »
    ...because they don't provide a frickin' manual anymore. I mean like nothing....they expect you to go online and figure it out.
    !! ++. I find paper way easier than any computer regardless of screen size.

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  • cfrizz
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    The first thing I do is download the manual to my pc. The paper version is simply too hard for me to read. On the pc, I can make the text as big as I need to.
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  • gp4jesus
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    Insightful article
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  • mhardy6647
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    It doesn't help that - ahem - some of us, as we age, are losing some of our capacity to be quick on the uptake. :|

    Of course, some of us were never particularly sprightly, uptake-wise, in the first place.

    :*
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  • gp4jesus
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    Pardon my ignorance what does HDCP2 mean?

    Is HDMI 2.X backward compatible?

    Outlaw announced their replacement/bridge to the newer tech recently - the 976 Pre/pro. I posted the rear view first as it's quickly telling of its potential.

    http://outlawaudio.com/images/OutlawAudio976rear.jpg

    For you technocrats a link to their site w/ a bit more info:

    http://saloon.outlawaudio.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=96259
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,576
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    gp4jesus wrote: »
    Pardon my ignorance what does HDCP2 mean?

    Is HDMI 2.X backward compatible?

    High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) is a form of digital copy protection developed by Intel Corporation to prevent copying of digital audio and video content as it travels across connections.

    yes they are all backward compatible


    http://www.techradar.com/news/television/why-hdcp-2-2-will-be-bad-news-for-4k-1287966

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  • oldschlpolkie
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    I like my outdated vintage gear (Audio) and don't really care about keeping up with the Jones as long as the awesome sound is there. For my home theatre I always stay a few years behind and save a bunch of money while still enjoying good quality. I'm cheap and I have kids what can I say!
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  • tonyb
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    I guess the frequency of gear becoming outdated is nothing really new to anyone. Which begs to question why anyone would pay big buck retail prices if that's the case then. Most of it anyway isn't leaps and bounds better than what you already have.

    BTW....I wouldn't buy anything from monoprice, nor would I even accept it for free. No offense to the monoprice fanboy club. :)
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  • F1nut
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    Monoprice equates to low quality, some might even say junk.
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  • tonyb
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    edited July 2017
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    F1nut wrote: »
    Monoprice equates to low quality, some might even say junk.

    I would say....but trying to be polite....kinda. lol

    HDMI.....has been changing iterations for years, should be of no big surprise to anyone. Thing is, it won't affect most people unless your buying a new tv or other video product, the audio side stays the same.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,576
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    F1nut wrote: »
    Monoprice equates to low quality, some might even say junk.

    It's of mono quality
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  • Thorton
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    tonyb wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Monoprice equates to low quality, some might even say junk.

    I would say....but trying to be polite....kinda. lol

    HDMI.....has been changing iterations for years, should be of no big surprise to anyone. Thing is, it won't affect most people unless your buying a new tv or other video product, the audio side stays the same.

    From what I've read, if you have a problem with HDMI compatibility go with an HDFury.
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  • Nightfall
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    F1nut wrote: »
    Monoprice equates to low quality, some might even say junk.

    I had cables come from them DOA and two HDMI cables with constant handshaking issues... It's just not worth the trouble for the real cheap cables from them. Maybe their "high end" stuff, which is still bottom rung, is at least at a working quality?
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  • BlueFox
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    edited July 2017
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    HDMI is a tricky SOB. I have been using, with no issues, a 5 meter Pangea I bought years ago. After I upgraded my TV and BR player to 4K, I figured I may as well get a better HDMI cable. So, I bought a 4 meter Cambridge Audio HDMI for 4K UHD TVs. Well, at the same time as I replaced the cable from my Oppo 203 to the TV Oppo did a firmware upgrade. So, I am watching a 4K movie and getting snow, noise, etc. on the picture. I tell Oppo their upgrade seems to be buggy. They said it sounds more like a bad HDMI cable. No way I think. I just bought this expensive HDMI cable solely for 4K. Well, I put the Pangea back, and everything works great. LOL.

    Thankfully, Audio Advisor took it back.
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  • pitdogg2
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    BlueFox wrote: »
    HDMI is a tricky SOB. I have been using, with no issues, a 5 meter Pangea I bought years ago. After I upgraded my TV and BR player to 4K, I figured I may as well get a better HDMI cable. So, I bought a 4 meter Cambridge Audio HDMI for 4K UHD TVs. Well, at the same time as I replaced the cable from my Oppo 203 to the TV Oppo did a firmware upgrade. So, I am watching a 4K movie and getting snow, noise, etc. on the picture. I tell Oppo their upgrade seems to be buggy. They said it sounds more like a bad HDMI cable. No way I think. I just bought this expensive HDMI cable solely for 4K. Well, I put the Pangea back, and everything works great. LOL.

    Thankfully, Audio Advisor took it back.

    Not everyone makes a great cable, high price or not. Very few actually test that their cable can pass what they say it does. At shorter length it may very well pass signal but at a longer distance it fails to completly pass all packets
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  • rpf65
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    I may be wrong, but I think most cable manufacturers didn't change a thing to become HDCP 2.2 compliant. Other than testing the cables for the high bit rate transfer. That is if they made a decent cable to begin with.
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  • rpf65
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    You may want to look at Audioquest's web site.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,576
    edited July 2017
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    Standard def will go away without a doubt. HD will play on SD TV's and there is only so much bandwidth to pump all of it through. Something will give and it will be standard def. Dont kid yourself about this.
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