Damn it........... Cables matter!!

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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 7,520
    crashb4 wrote: »
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Get better spades. Those in the picture are terrible. I have used them, I had a set of 10 I gave to others to try and all came back and told me the same thing. In a nut shell they took away for the signal. I'd bet the original jumpers pass better signal.

    What did you replace them with. The current spades actually fit on the larger Polk posts.

    I replaced with quality banana's. Those spades unscrew from the bottom correct? The spade is gold plated zinc the bottom is all zinc and that is where the signal starts.

    There are much better spades out there search and you will find. Audioquest, Cardas to name a few.
  • crashb4crashb4 Posts: 176
    pitdogg2 wrote: »

    I replaced with quality banana's. Those spades unscrew from the bottom correct? The spade is gold plated zinc the bottom is all zinc and that is where the signal starts.

    I believe that you are correct on these spades. I will check them and spend some more time with them. If a spade replace is a no go, i will scrap them.
    Thanks.
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  • crashb4crashb4 Posts: 176
    Impressive read on this subject. This may help some get a better understanding of the design goals and considerations that relate to cable manufacturing.

    http://www.audioquest.com/pdfs/aq_cable_theory.pdf
    Rotel: RSP-1068, RMB-1075, RT-1080 RLC-1040.
    Oppo: DV-980H
    Polk: Monitor-10B, SDA-1A, SDA-SRS

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  • ^^^
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    Loudspeakers: Harbeth p3esr, Polk RT7
    Cables: Aural Harmony Sonnet Interconnect II, WireWorld Equinox 7 speaker,
    Black Cat silverstar 75 ohm digital, Signal Digital Power Cord, PS Audio Perfect Wave AC-3,
    Pangea SE14, Voltz supplied interconnects
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  • crashb4crashb4 Posts: 176
    That's what I thought for a long time. Then i tried it for myself. I'm not here to impose my thoughts on anyone. I just say try it for yourself.
    Rotel: RSP-1068, RMB-1075, RT-1080 RLC-1040.
    Oppo: DV-980H
    Polk: Monitor-10B, SDA-1A, SDA-SRS

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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 38,039
    crashb4 wrote: »
    That's what I thought for a long time. Then i tried it for myself. I'm not here to impose my thoughts on anyone. I just say try it for yourself.

    He seems to have hearing issues.
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  • Cables... what are they????
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  • vcwatkinsvcwatkins Posts: 1,605
    Well done @crashb4 .
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  • I see MIT in someone future.
    Studio 2 equipment;
    Yamaha a-s2100 Amp, CD-2100 CD player, T-S500 tuner
    Loudspeakers: Harbeth p3esr, Polk RT7
    Cables: Aural Harmony Sonnet Interconnect II, WireWorld Equinox 7 speaker,
    Black Cat silverstar 75 ohm digital, Signal Digital Power Cord, PS Audio Perfect Wave AC-3,
    Pangea SE14, Voltz supplied interconnects
    Optional: Arcam DV88 DVD/CD (HDCD) player, Polk SDS-400 speakers
  • crashb4crashb4 Posts: 176
    MIT T2 in place from pre to amp. Already started. Shhhhh. Don't tell mother.
    Rotel: RSP-1068, RMB-1075, RT-1080 RLC-1040.
    Oppo: DV-980H
    Polk: Monitor-10B, SDA-1A, SDA-SRS

    To know the road ahead, ask those coming back. --Chinese Proverb
  • F1nut wrote: »

    He seems to have hearing issues.

    I know I have hearing issues and even through the tinnitus I heard a big difference between the Signal Cables and the S3's you had suggested. Thank you for all your help.

    As an added bonus the wife heard the difference and loves the new cables. It might be time to search out a few interconnects. B)

  • tonybtonyb Posts: 27,496
    crashb4 wrote: »
    That's what I thought for a long time. Then i tried it for myself. I'm not here to impose my thoughts on anyone. I just say try it for yourself.

    We say, and have always said "try it for yourself" also. With audio being such a subjective thing, you have to approach it with an open mind. You can read the pro's and con's all day on the internet, but until you try things for yourself you'll never move forward.
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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 8,155
    edited February 12
    Yup
    I've used cables on my ushers and they sound great

    Hooked them up to Skips ushers and they were dull vs the ones he had

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  • Michael8itMichael8it Posts: 192
    For what it's worth... I have more experience in Pro Audio than I do with home HiFi. I have used cheap cables that would allow hum, radio interference, and all kinds of other unwanted noise. I was at wits end trying to get this noise out of our sound system. I switch the cheap cables for a pair of Mogami cables at 3 to 4 times the price of the cheap ones... and all the noise was gone. As a Navy Electronics Technician, I thought I understood the basic principles of electricity, and I never bought into the high end cable idea, until this.

    When AT&T was developing our phone system in the 1940's, they found that they needed to wind the wires at a specific rate to keep the signal quality up. If they did not wind the wires at a specific rate, the signal quality would degrade significantly. The same principle is true with CAT5 and CAT6 in the digital realm. The real difference between the two is the rate at which the cable is wound and where they are placed in the pack of wires. CAT6 can run at a higher speed (think frequency) than CAT5.

    Each wire also has an inductive field around it. If you have ever seen an electrician testing for the presence of electricity with a wand, or lit up a florescent bulb simply by holding it close to a power source, you have seen this in action. The fields from each wire are constantly intersecting each other. This is why the winding of the wire is important. If you wind the wire at the proper rate, you can support a certain band of frequencies. They actually complement each other. If you wind it at the wrong rate, the fields interfere and can even attenuate each other. This is why the winding was so important to AT&T, and CAT5 and CAT6 cable.

    If you translate this concept to analog audio, the rate at which the cable is wound, combined with the thickness of the individual strands impacts how frequencies travel through the wire. They can complement or compete with each other. Obviously (or perhaps not so obviously) there is an art to knowing how to make them for the best possible audio quality. Mogami understands this in the Pro Audio market. Sounds like some folks have figured this out for HiFi as well.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 38,039
    Give that man a cookie. B)
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 27,496
    LOL...good observation Michael, and those reasons are just the tip of the iceberg. More goes into a cable than just wire than many think.
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  • GlennDogGlennDog Posts: 1,220
    F1nut wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    The only silver cable I have experience with is the Revelation Audio Passage Cryo-Silver Reference DB-25 umbilical power cable. This replaced the stock Pass cable between the preamp and its power supply, and this cable resulted in a virtual upgrade to a new preamp far beyond the stock XP-20.

    The Revelation Audio silver umbilical cords are beyond amazing.

    I just took delivery of the Revelation Audio Labs CryoSilver Reference umbilical power cord that goes between my Cary SLP-98 pre amp and its power supply.

    Out of the gate, 1st red book cd The Very Best of Talk Talk ... no critical listening, yet ... all I can say is Nice work, man!
    I'm hearing shinola I haven't head before
    Thanks RAL!
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 38,039
    Personally, I think someone would have to be deaf not to hear the improvements from using RAL cables. I certainly wasn't expecting the improvements I got. My only complaint is that I didn't get them sooner.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 9,307
    Yes, the RAL is certainly worth the money, at least when used as an umbilical for power supplies. How in the world that can affect the sound I have no idea, but it sure as Hades does.
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  • Toolfan66Toolfan66 Posts: 13,222
    F1nut wrote: »
    Personally, I think someone would have to be deaf not to hear the improvements from using RAL cables. I certainly wasn't expecting the improvements I got. My only complaint is that I didn't get them sooner.

    Are you using their power cords? Where are you using them?

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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 38,039
    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Personally, I think someone would have to be deaf not to hear the improvements from using RAL cables. I certainly wasn't expecting the improvements I got. My only complaint is that I didn't get them sooner.

    Are you using their power cords? Where are you using them?

    No, I'm using their power supply umbilical cords, which replaced the seemingly adequate stock versions. Although I've already upgraded all my power cords with PS Audio I wouldn't mind trying the RAL versions.

    I'm with Bud, I didn't think the umbilical cords mattered much. Boy, was I wrong.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


  • GlennDogGlennDog Posts: 1,220
    F1nut wrote: »
    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Personally, I think someone would have to be deaf not to hear the improvements from using RAL cables. I certainly wasn't expecting the improvements I got. My only complaint is that I didn't get them sooner.

    Are you using their power cords? Where are you using them?

    No, I'm using their power supply umbilical cords, which replaced the seemingly adequate stock versions. Although I've already upgraded all my power cords with PS Audio I wouldn't mind trying the RAL versions.

    I'm with Bud, I didn't think the umbilical cords mattered much. Boy, was I wrong.

    Ditto!
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  • GlennDogGlennDog Posts: 1,220
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Yes, the RAL is certainly worth the money, at least when used as an umbilical for power supplies. How in the world that can affect the sound I have no idea, but it sure as Hades does.

    H - E double hockey sticks .... I'm offended!
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    Wires MIT S3.3
  • GlennDogGlennDog Posts: 1,220
    Just for the record, I gotta say ...

    I'm totally offended by that 60s bikini behind the flattering Burka


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  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 12,187
    I never in a million years would have EVER thought that F1 would be talking about the benefits of silver.

    *drops to floor*

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    The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction.
  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 23,456
    Cables matter, always have, always will.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • stones89stones89 Posts: 210
    Cables matter big time, and there are plenty of good ones. Just be careful to not join the “cable of the week” club.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 27,496
    stones89 wrote: »
    Cables matter big time, and there are plenty of good ones. Just be careful to not join the “cable of the week” club.

    Is that kinda like sausage of the month clubs ? Because I've had some really good ones...and some t u r ds. :)
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  • stones89stones89 Posts: 210
    :D A m e n to that!
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