2.3TL Rebuild Starts Now

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  • machonemachone Posts: 836
    When I get them located I will add the spikes. Right now the sliders work great for moving them around but I am sure they are bad for sound.
    Mojo Audio Joule v5>>Quantum Byte w/JRiver 21 and Fidelizer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Marantz SA 8005>> Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-110 Preamp + (Musical Concepts LXII Elite Mod) >>Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts PA-6 Elite Mod) >>Belden 5000 10 ga cables>>
    SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modified)...SDA-1A (Fully Modified with Dimensional Tweeter Delete)
    1KVA Dreadnought
    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
  • Mike ReeterMike Reeter Posts: 3,113
    Looks as if you are doing very nice work on the old Classics, you will have a Reference pair when you are done!
    SDA SRS 3.1TL's/Dynaudio Contour S 3.4 LE's
  • machonemachone Posts: 836
    I finished the mechanical mods on the second speaker and must say that these speakers are amazing and I have not touched the xovers.
    Mojo Audio Joule v5>>Quantum Byte w/JRiver 21 and Fidelizer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Marantz SA 8005>> Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-110 Preamp + (Musical Concepts LXII Elite Mod) >>Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts PA-6 Elite Mod) >>Belden 5000 10 ga cables>>
    SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modified)...SDA-1A (Fully Modified with Dimensional Tweeter Delete)
    1KVA Dreadnought
    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
  • machonemachone Posts: 836
    I listened again last night after Larry's rings, black hole 5, and dynamat mods. I had several driver gaskets that were torn or folded over so I replaced them and I replaced the tweeter gaskets. Note that I already upgraded the tweeters to 198's.

    Now the push test is excellent.
    Imaging is much improved.
    Bass is tighter with better dynamics.
    Overall soundfield is wider, taller and deeper.
    Vocals sound so natural.
    They are very musical.

    I am very pleased with their sound and look forward to upgrading the crossovers, jumpers and sda cable.

    Thanks to everyone for your guidance and advice.


    Mojo Audio Joule v5>>Quantum Byte w/JRiver 21 and Fidelizer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Marantz SA 8005>> Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-110 Preamp + (Musical Concepts LXII Elite Mod) >>Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts PA-6 Elite Mod) >>Belden 5000 10 ga cables>>
    SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modified)...SDA-1A (Fully Modified with Dimensional Tweeter Delete)
    1KVA Dreadnought
    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 38,311
    Ya ain't heard nothin' yet.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • ^^^^^ :p
    Yamaha RXA1030, Yamaha CD
    Polk SDA2btl highly modded
    PolkM7 peerless
    Polk CS350 LS x2
    Polk m5jr
    Kimber
    Sony 55" Bravia
    Wish list Polk SRS 2 or 2.3 TL, SVS sub, Parasound amp

  • Mike ReeterMike Reeter Posts: 3,113
    machone wrote: »
    I had several driver gaskets that were torn or folded over so I replaced them and I replaced the tweeter gaskets.


    When installing new driver gaskets you will need to go back and re-torque the mounting screws as the new gaskets will compress over time.

    SDA SRS 3.1TL's/Dynaudio Contour S 3.4 LE's
  • machonemachone Posts: 836
    Thanks Mike.
    I have been checking and re-torquing them as needed. :)
    Mojo Audio Joule v5>>Quantum Byte w/JRiver 21 and Fidelizer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Marantz SA 8005>> Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-110 Preamp + (Musical Concepts LXII Elite Mod) >>Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts PA-6 Elite Mod) >>Belden 5000 10 ga cables>>
    SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modified)...SDA-1A (Fully Modified with Dimensional Tweeter Delete)
    1KVA Dreadnought
    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
  • Mike ReeterMike Reeter Posts: 3,113
    SDA SRS 3.1TL's/Dynaudio Contour S 3.4 LE's
  • machonemachone Posts: 836
    I see that there are several 16mH sub-base inductor choices for the 2.3TL's.

    1. Solen makes them up to a (whopping 10ga giant (.56 DCR) for a lot of money @ $170 each). I think DK used these.

    2. Special order Janzten c-coil 14 awg (.16 DCR) @ $70 each. I think vr3 uses these.

    3. Erse makes a steel core 16 awg 17mH (.52 DCR) @ $40 each that I can send to westmassguy to unwind to 16mH. The Erse is rated at 500 watts but 2.3TL's are rated at 750 watts. Is this a problem?

    What do you guys recommend?

    Thanks

    Mojo Audio Joule v5>>Quantum Byte w/JRiver 21 and Fidelizer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Marantz SA 8005>> Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-110 Preamp + (Musical Concepts LXII Elite Mod) >>Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts PA-6 Elite Mod) >>Belden 5000 10 ga cables>>
    SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modified)...SDA-1A (Fully Modified with Dimensional Tweeter Delete)
    1KVA Dreadnought
    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
  • I used the Erse super Q as suggested by Dave. This added punch to the lower bass, however be warned adding a lower DCR inductor will lower the impedance in certain situations. Make sure you have an amp that can handle a 4 or even at times 2 ohm load. I do like the way my SDAs sound with the Erse inductors, really good bang for the buck IMHO.
    Yamaha RXA1030, Yamaha CD
    Polk SDA2btl highly modded
    PolkM7 peerless
    Polk CS350 LS x2
    Polk m5jr
    Kimber
    Sony 55" Bravia
    Wish list Polk SRS 2 or 2.3 TL, SVS sub, Parasound amp

  • You also mentioned the power handling capacity of the Erse at 500 watts I don't think you could drive them hard enough to saturate the inductors. Mabey another forum member will chime in on this topic with better experience.
    Yamaha RXA1030, Yamaha CD
    Polk SDA2btl highly modded
    PolkM7 peerless
    Polk CS350 LS x2
    Polk m5jr
    Kimber
    Sony 55" Bravia
    Wish list Polk SRS 2 or 2.3 TL, SVS sub, Parasound amp

  • westmassguywestmassguy Posts: 5,797
    The Inductor is only connected to the two dimensional woofers, and only carries signals below 150Hz. You're no where near saturating the coil.
    Home Theater/2 Channel:
    Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
    Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
    Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
    Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
    Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-350, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer
    Cables: Speaker: Furez 10/2 with GLS Locking Banana Plugs
    Interconnect: Furez 10/2 with SpeakONs
    ICs: Custom Furez by Douglas Connections
    Den:
    Bose 901 Series II Continentals Restored, Re-Built Equalizer with Elna Silmic IIs, Sonicaps, and Silver Mica Caps
    Carver CT-3 Pre, Carver PM-600

    dhsspeakerservice.com/
    Now Carrying Gimpod's Custom SDA Circuit Boards

    "And keep her under 70, would you, huh? Betty likes a slow ride"
  • Thanks Dave!! I was hoping you would chime in.
    Yamaha RXA1030, Yamaha CD
    Polk SDA2btl highly modded
    PolkM7 peerless
    Polk CS350 LS x2
    Polk m5jr
    Kimber
    Sony 55" Bravia
    Wish list Polk SRS 2 or 2.3 TL, SVS sub, Parasound amp

  • westmassguywestmassguy Posts: 5,797
    Anytime Brother
    Home Theater/2 Channel:
    Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
    Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
    Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
    Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
    Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-350, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer
    Cables: Speaker: Furez 10/2 with GLS Locking Banana Plugs
    Interconnect: Furez 10/2 with SpeakONs
    ICs: Custom Furez by Douglas Connections
    Den:
    Bose 901 Series II Continentals Restored, Re-Built Equalizer with Elna Silmic IIs, Sonicaps, and Silver Mica Caps
    Carver CT-3 Pre, Carver PM-600

    dhsspeakerservice.com/
    Now Carrying Gimpod's Custom SDA Circuit Boards

    "And keep her under 70, would you, huh? Betty likes a slow ride"
  • machonemachone Posts: 836
    Thanks Dave
    Mojo Audio Joule v5>>Quantum Byte w/JRiver 21 and Fidelizer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Marantz SA 8005>> Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-110 Preamp + (Musical Concepts LXII Elite Mod) >>Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts PA-6 Elite Mod) >>Belden 5000 10 ga cables>>
    SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modified)...SDA-1A (Fully Modified with Dimensional Tweeter Delete)
    1KVA Dreadnought
    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
  • machonemachone Posts: 836
    Hey guys,

    I you had plenty of flexibility on where you could place your equipment rack relative to your speakers; where would be the best place for SQ?
    - Most put the rack between the speakers but is this best? If I needed to push the speakers back close to the wall the rack would be in front of the speakers.
    - On a side wall away from the speakers? This would mean longer speaker cables.

    I am redesigning my listening room for the 2.3TL's and wanted to know what you think.

    Thanks
    Mojo Audio Joule v5>>Quantum Byte w/JRiver 21 and Fidelizer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Marantz SA 8005>> Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-110 Preamp + (Musical Concepts LXII Elite Mod) >>Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts PA-6 Elite Mod) >>Belden 5000 10 ga cables>>
    SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modified)...SDA-1A (Fully Modified with Dimensional Tweeter Delete)
    1KVA Dreadnought
    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
  • ConradiclesConradicles Posts: 5,463
    Best place for an equipment rack is NOT between your speakers.
  • machonemachone Posts: 836
    I get that.
    If the rack is to one side or the other the distance to the speakers is unequal. I assume everybody should use equal length cables. If so what is the best way to handle the extra length of the longer cable?
    Mojo Audio Joule v5>>Quantum Byte w/JRiver 21 and Fidelizer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Marantz SA 8005>> Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-110 Preamp + (Musical Concepts LXII Elite Mod) >>Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts PA-6 Elite Mod) >>Belden 5000 10 ga cables>>
    SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modified)...SDA-1A (Fully Modified with Dimensional Tweeter Delete)
    1KVA Dreadnought
    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
  • SchurkeySchurkey Posts: 1,715
    machone wrote: »
    3. Erse makes a steel core 16 awg 17mH (.52 DCR) @ $40 each that I can send to westmassguy to unwind to 16mH.
    ERSE will custom-unwind their inductors to your spec for $10 each, last time I asked them. That was something like two years ago. Price may have changed. Having ERSE do it will not cost extra for shipping two ways for westmassguy to do it.
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 38,311
    Putting your gear on an open rack between the speakers shouldn't be a problem.
    What is a problem are large solid entertainment center type pieces of furniture.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


  • machonemachone Posts: 836
    Can 2.3TLs use a dreadnought?
    Mojo Audio Joule v5>>Quantum Byte w/JRiver 21 and Fidelizer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Marantz SA 8005>> Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-110 Preamp + (Musical Concepts LXII Elite Mod) >>Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts PA-6 Elite Mod) >>Belden 5000 10 ga cables>>
    SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modified)...SDA-1A (Fully Modified with Dimensional Tweeter Delete)
    1KVA Dreadnought
    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
  • Mike ReeterMike Reeter Posts: 3,113
    edited February 2016
    machone wrote: »
    Can 2.3TLs use a dreadnought?

    Yes, and recommended!


    Post edited by Mike Reeter on
    SDA SRS 3.1TL's/Dynaudio Contour S 3.4 LE's
  • machonemachone Posts: 836
    I thought so.
    Thanks Mike
    Mojo Audio Joule v5>>Quantum Byte w/JRiver 21 and Fidelizer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Marantz SA 8005>> Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-110 Preamp + (Musical Concepts LXII Elite Mod) >>Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts PA-6 Elite Mod) >>Belden 5000 10 ga cables>>
    SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modified)...SDA-1A (Fully Modified with Dimensional Tweeter Delete)
    1KVA Dreadnought
    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
  • machonemachone Posts: 836
    I am trying to plan the interconnect cable upgrade for my 2.3TLs. In the future I plan to add an isolation transformer per recommendations on this forum.
    Is it better to:
    1. Use Speakon connectors
    or
    2. Use an extra binding post
    Mojo Audio Joule v5>>Quantum Byte w/JRiver 21 and Fidelizer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Marantz SA 8005>> Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-110 Preamp + (Musical Concepts LXII Elite Mod) >>Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts PA-6 Elite Mod) >>Belden 5000 10 ga cables>>
    SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modified)...SDA-1A (Fully Modified with Dimensional Tweeter Delete)
    1KVA Dreadnought
    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
  • westmassguywestmassguy Posts: 5,797
    SpeakONs
    Home Theater/2 Channel:
    Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
    Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
    Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
    Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
    Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-350, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer
    Cables: Speaker: Furez 10/2 with GLS Locking Banana Plugs
    Interconnect: Furez 10/2 with SpeakONs
    ICs: Custom Furez by Douglas Connections
    Den:
    Bose 901 Series II Continentals Restored, Re-Built Equalizer with Elna Silmic IIs, Sonicaps, and Silver Mica Caps
    Carver CT-3 Pre, Carver PM-600

    dhsspeakerservice.com/
    Now Carrying Gimpod's Custom SDA Circuit Boards

    "And keep her under 70, would you, huh? Betty likes a slow ride"
  • Listen to Westmassguy. He knows his stuff and is awesome to boot.
    Polk 3.1TL (Gimpods boards, Sonicaps, Mills Res., Dynamat, Sonic Barrier, Hurricane Nuts, Cabinet sealing, Glue of magnets,Cardas Binding Post upgrades) - to be relegated to my daughters system eventually as I permit or am ready to part with.
    Polk CS350 Center
    Polk FX500 Surround
    Definitive Powerfield Subwoofer
    B&W 803D2
    Krell Showcase Processor
    Krell KAV 3250 Amp
    Adcom 555II Amp
    Adcom 555II Amp
    Musical Fidelity A3CD
    Sony PS4300 Turntable
    Rotel RQ970BX Phono Preamp
    Adcom Ace-515 Line Conditioner
    Richard Grays Power Company Line Conditioner (2)
    Hitachi 60" Ultravision TV
    Oppo BDP-103 Blue Ray
  • machonemachone Posts: 836
    All crossover components ordered :)
    Mojo Audio Joule v5>>Quantum Byte w/JRiver 21 and Fidelizer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Marantz SA 8005>> Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-110 Preamp + (Musical Concepts LXII Elite Mod) >>Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts PA-6 Elite Mod) >>Belden 5000 10 ga cables>>
    SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modified)...SDA-1A (Fully Modified with Dimensional Tweeter Delete)
    1KVA Dreadnought
    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
  • machonemachone Posts: 836
    I finally got my listening room rearranged. Most of the large pieces of furniture have been moved with only pegboard and smaller pieces to remaining. I am now able to move speakers anywhere on the wall.
    Finally wide open spaces and I can sit down! :)
    eiwzgq0jfucs.jpg
    Mojo Audio Joule v5>>Quantum Byte w/JRiver 21 and Fidelizer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Marantz SA 8005>> Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-110 Preamp + (Musical Concepts LXII Elite Mod) >>Equinox 7>>
    Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts PA-6 Elite Mod) >>Belden 5000 10 ga cables>>
    SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modified)...SDA-1A (Fully Modified with Dimensional Tweeter Delete)
    1KVA Dreadnought
    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
  • Gunther16Gunther16 Posts: 245
    Nice, need a speaker selector?
    Polk 3.1TL (Gimpods boards, Sonicaps, Mills Res., Dynamat, Sonic Barrier, Hurricane Nuts, Cabinet sealing, Glue of magnets,Cardas Binding Post upgrades) - to be relegated to my daughters system eventually as I permit or am ready to part with.
    Polk CS350 Center
    Polk FX500 Surround
    Definitive Powerfield Subwoofer
    B&W 803D2
    Krell Showcase Processor
    Krell KAV 3250 Amp
    Adcom 555II Amp
    Adcom 555II Amp
    Musical Fidelity A3CD
    Sony PS4300 Turntable
    Rotel RQ970BX Phono Preamp
    Adcom Ace-515 Line Conditioner
    Richard Grays Power Company Line Conditioner (2)
    Hitachi 60" Ultravision TV
    Oppo BDP-103 Blue Ray
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