The first time you heard a "real" subwoofer after owning an entry-level sub

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  • ROHfanROHfan Posts: 1,003
    Loving all the stories. Keep 'em coming!
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  • nbrowsernbrowser Posts: 6,534
    steveinaz wrote: »
    Just like a well designed tweeter gives you transparency, air, and depth---so does a good subwoofer for the low end, giving bass depth and dimensionality. (is that a word?)

    Eh Firefox squiggles under the word so it may or may not be a real word but who cares...sometimes ya gotta make a new word to describe something!
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    Keiko wrote: »
    That's offensive and not audio related. I'm telling! :#
  • halohalo Posts: 3,594
    I was at @SCompRacer house and we did a little demo of his HT.

    He put on Master and Commander and, while sitting in my chair, I felt my pant leg fluttering. I mentioned this, he smiled and said, "that's the sub."

    The SVS produces subsonic bass that I couldn't hear, but I could feel it. Of course, I heard it too but, that was what made me want an SVS of my very own. I still regret selling it but the 20-39PCi brought me years of enjoyment. I laughed like a child almost every time it rumbled; I think the "Darla" scene from Finding Nemo was my favorite.
  • mikeyb128mikeyb128 Posts: 2,329
    edited May 2016
    halo wrote: »
    I was at @SCompRacer house and we did a little demo of his HT.

    He put on Master and Commander and, while sitting in my chair, I felt my pant leg fluttering. I mentioned this, he smiled and said, "that's the sub."

    The SVS produces subsonic bass that I couldn't hear, but I could feel it. Of course, I heard it too but, that was what made me want an SVS of my very own. I still regret selling it but the 20-39PCi brought me years of enjoyment. I laughed like a child almost every time it rumbled; I think the "Darla" scene from Finding Nemo was my favorite.

    The Darla scene seems to be the standard theater demo scene. I haven't tried it in my new living room which is situated on top of my garage. The cement slab in my old basement could barely handle my dual ultras with the Darla test. :smile:

    I remember my buddy saying he felt his belly flapping. And he was off to the side, not even in the sweet spot.
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 17,762
    "War of the Worlds" will blow your hair back too.
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  • IrrenhausIrrenhaus Posts: 692
    steveinaz wrote: »
    "War of the Worlds" will blow your hair back too.

    Tell me about it. Went from a 12" JBL to a Rythmik F25 that was the first movie I try. One of the smoke detectors fell from the ceiling........ :smiley:
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  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 1,132
    Polkaguy58 wrote: »
    My latest sub is an older model Cambridge SoundWorks sealed job, with a 12" woofer and the option of running a secondary slave unit from the amp plate. (something I'll probably never need)
    I really like the sound a big sealed cab over a ported one, but my old passive NHT in the kitchen set up (with the velodyne external amp) sounds pretty nice too.
    @Polkaguy58 Haven't seen you post in a bit...actually since I FIRST got my Monitor 5s and you assisted me with identifying them. I remember you talking about how musical this sub was and how great it complimented the vintage monitor line.
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  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 1,243
    Polkie2009 wrote: »
    I have to give some credit to some of those original sub makers like M&K and Velodyne. Hats off to them :) A number of those old subs are still working and they have to be at least 20 to 25 years old. I honestly doubt any__ of the sub plate amps made nowadays will last that long.

    I agree. I had an old M&K that I recently gave to a buddy in need. Aside from replacing a foam surround, it has performed incredibly and astounds everyone that has a chance to experience it. I may regret giving it away (it's a long term loan, but, how do you ask for it back after a year?) but, I'm sure there are great subs out there that I can experiment with.

    I had went for years with a couple of JBL PB12's and then moved to a Velodyne 12. The M&K was worlds apart from the mediocre bass delivered by either of those subs.

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    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
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    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

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  • Polkie2009Polkie2009 Posts: 3,836
    The old used M&K V2B sub I bought about 10 years ago off Ebay for about $100 bucks was awesome sounding for a two channel setup.
  • I still have my Cambridge sub from last year and love it..............but if the truth be told, I'd trade it in a minute for a chance to own another vintage passive Dahlquist (DW1 ?).
    One of my guitar customer's mom gave it to me, telling me that her late husband had brought it back from his days in Viet Nam.
    (my guess was he bought it at the PX in Germany)
    She'd been using it as a coffee table for years.
    I kid you not, I had that baby hooked up to a Sony department store surround sound receiver, with the powered sub output built in.
    I used 5 modified Radio Shack Optimus 7's for surrounds and that system kicked **** !
    Sometimes all the planets align and sh#t actually shines !
  • scottyboy76scottyboy76 Posts: 2,931
    Maybe one of these days I'll experience a "real" subwoofer in my theater room. For now I'll have to settle with 8 feet worth of sealed 18's topped with 300 pounds of granite. Not quite done yet.

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    8 feet worth of sealed 18s topped with 300 lbs of granite, what am I missin, and plese tell me what your dream sub setup is
    humpty dumpty was pushed
  • 8 feet worth of sealed 18s topped with 300 lbs of granite, what am I missin, and plese tell me what your dream sub setup is

    My dream setup, oh boy. Well, primarily I want corners so I can put one in each of them and not deal with nulls anymore. I have doors that keep me from doing that.

    As for equipment, probably four JTR Orbit Shifters.
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 917
    For me it was a long move up the food chain.

    first sub in 2000 post Advent's (eerr still a little mad at the wife for those)

    1st got a little sub Costco had for like $100. was not bad with the in ceiling speakers

    2nd around 2003 I got a 12" Sony sub that was twice as big as the POS Costco one and sounded good. I am still using it in the warehouse at work.

    3rd 2005 got my first taste of a real sub. HSU STF-2. I didn't know what I was missing. On the first movie the lamp started shaking, wife asked me what I was smiling at.

    4th 2009 or 2010 got my HSU VTF2-MK3 OH YEAH. run it in 2 ports open and the room gain brings it down to around 20hz. Nice to feel bass.

    Next up will either be a VTF3-MK5 or SB13.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Marantz SR5010,
    Oppo BDP-93,Panasonic BDT460, DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk Signature S30
    Front High TC80i
    Rear: Polk RC80i
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk TSX250C
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • mpitogompitogo Posts: 68
    edited May 21
    First sub was a Polk PSW450. Upgraded to dual Polk DSW microPRO 3000. Unfortunately I don't have the space for big subs (aesthetically). Best I heard BagEnd Infrasub 18.
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  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 5,707
    I recall being stunned the first time I heard an SVS PB12+/2. I was in college and picking up a used SVS 25PC+.... I asked him to turn his PB12+/2.... although it was boomy, the output was impressive.
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    Subwoofer: Infinity Entra2 sub -> SVS 25-31PC+ sub
  • dannylightningdannylightning Posts: 175
    edited May 22
    i must be weird but i find my psw505 and my old psw450 to sound great. a few friend i used to have had some high end subs and they did not sound that much better to me. i have had a few different brands of sub as well and always liked my polk subs.

    i haven't heard a home audio JL sub but i have a feeling i would love one of those. always love their car speakers more than any other brand.
    1. Cambridge Azur 651A, Polk LSi M703, Sonos Connect, Audioquest type 4/king cobra cables

    2. Denon DRA-397, Energy C-200.

    Polk TSX-330T, PSW 505, PSW-250



  • rednedtugentrednedtugent Posts: 10,281
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  • marcpamjocemarcpamjoce Registered User Posts: 44
    edited May 23
    i must be weird but i find my psw505 and my old psw450 to sound great. a few friend i used to have had some high end subs and they did not sound that much better to me. i have had a few different brands of sub as well and always liked my polk subs.

    i haven't heard a home audio JL sub but i have a feeling i would love one of those. always love their car speakers more than any other brand.

    Your friends must have used the term "high end" very loosely. I too had a psw505 back in the day and now have a set of cap 1400s and it makes the 505 sound like a tweeter. I think all of polk subs are junk unless you are capped to an all in one setup.

    Before you call me a polk hater, i have owned their RTI12 and RTIA9 in both of my theater rooms with the matching center and surround. So i love their speakers, hate their subs.



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  • rpf65rpf65 Posts: 1,349
    Wouldn't exactly refer to Polk subs as junk. There are better ones out there, and the 505 is pretty good for its price point. Actually one of the better ones at that price point.

  • marcpamjocemarcpamjoce Registered User Posts: 44
    rpf65 wrote: »
    Wouldn't exactly refer to Polk subs as junk. There are better ones out there, and the 505 is pretty good for its price point. Actually one of the better ones at that price point.

    Never said that the 505 was good at the $199 price point on amazon. I am just saying when you get into the intro ID subs of around $499, the difference is night and day.
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  • JiminKYJiminKY Posts: 6
    In the context of this site and thread, I'm not sure if the SVS SB12-NSD is considered "real" or "entry-level." But compared to the 15-year-old Sony HTIB ported-8" it replaced, it is real enough for me. Night and effin' day real. Never "got it" until I heard this thing.
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