This joint needs some more vintage hifi

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 17,350
    I've got nothin'. Reasonable quality Philips dome tweeters -- I mean, how bad could they be? ;) (all depends on price, right?!)
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,235
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 17,350
    way better than average stuff from its time; well worth the asking price in good working order.
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 9,657
    kharp1 wrote: »

    That is the same tuner i use. I have had many tuners Carver tx11b, old & new yammies, Sony's but the Sansui's just smoke them all as far as reception and really close to the Carver in sound.
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 5,107
    kharp1 wrote: »

    I used to own that set..well maybe the same #'s anyway. What a GREAT SET. I wish I hadn't had to sell it. I still remember how NICE the sound was ... BEAUTIFUL !
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 5,107
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Sold off my KLH 32's as part of the downsizing but I'd love to
    replace it 24 stereo music system!

    The KLH 32 speakers were remarkably pleasant to listen to little speakers as well. The Harvard, MA town dump turned up a pair of those once, too :)

    14798632620_0b54839fd4_b.jpgKLH 32s by Mark Hardy, on Flickr

    These were my FIRST hi-quality speakers I ever heard. My mother brought them home from a yard sale 32 years ago. When I moved out I took them with me and used them in new home constructions as well, with a fisher receiver I think while I trimmed out those homes. Rock-in in the 70"s for sure !
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 5,107
    mpitogo wrote: »
    So sad what has happened to RadioShack. They where great shops for those into electronics. I had my first summer job after freshman year at a RadioShack. I sold computers and VHS camcorders that summer. Now what was left over after the bankruptcy are finally closing.
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    for anyone who (still) might not know of these two sites, but who might also pine for the days when Allied Radio & Radio Shack (yes) sold McIntosh & Marantz, here's something to do for the next few days ;)

    www.radioshackcatalogs.com
    www.alliedcatalogs.com

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    I'll take 2 of each at those prices... WOW
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • soundfreak1soundfreak1 Posts: 2,821
    That was a whole lota money back then!
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 5,107
    Yea I know.... I remember an older co-worker telling me he bought his ranch brick house with a nice yard for 12,000.00 when he bought it. Now.. 170,000.00. Those were the good old days somewhat. But we all know what a loaf of bread and milk cost then too.
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • soundfreak1soundfreak1 Posts: 2,821
    Some of those old mac amps sell for 5k now also.
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • jdjohn wrote: »
    Side system I've put together from gear in my dad's garage. Check it out...dual Duals! Top one is a 1228, bottom one is a 1215S. That's a Rotel RX-602 receiver; it has two phono inputs, so I just had to try playing two-at-once and toggle 1&2. Realistic Optimus T-100 floorstanders with JBL 2500 bookies on top. The tweeters in the Realistics aren't that great, but the little JBLs fill-out the top end nicely. I'm going to sell this to a long-time friend at work...but with only one of the turntables.
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    I wish I had those T-100's.
    I once took a 50 dollar pair of those, braced the cabs, replaced the fiberglass packing with cotton batting (an old sleeping bag donor) added a high end cap at 3500 Hz. and replaced the stock tweeter with a KEF silk dome.
    These speakers run twin 16 Ohm woofers wide open, with just a cap and Lpad on the tweeter, but after my mods, I swear, they were the best speakers that I'd ever had.
    Like an idiot, I sold them off.
    They cost 100 bucks to make and I wish I still had them.

  • Tony MTony M Posts: 5,107
    edited November 2017
    I've always had an ear for those old Realistic heavy cabinet speakers that had 3 of those tweeters or midranges above the woofer.

    Some woofers had what looked like 60 grit sand paper around the cone in a 3" wide band. I swear they sounded right to me. I've a lot of pairs of them too. Never had a problem reselling them either.
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • ConradiclesConradicles Posts: 5,629
    I had a pair too. Oh the good memories!
  • la2vegasla2vegas Posts: 2,388
    edited November 2017
    I had a pair too. Oh the good memories!

    Most guys do until they're married, then it all changes.

    Yes Honey, I'll be right there.
    2.3TL, 3.1TL, SDA 2B, SDA II, 7B, 7C, 7 series 2, 10B, 5JR+, 5JR, 5A, 4.5, 4, RTA 11T X2 pairs, RTA 8T, LSI9, LSI7, RTI A7, RTI A3, CSI A4, CSI A6, F/XI A4, RTI4. That's all for now.
  • Here's one you don't see everyday. No affil.
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 17,350
    The Citation 16 was a pretty good ss amplifier although I think there were some design issues that resulted in a "run time" upgrade version -- or am I concocting memories again? :pensive:

    at any rate...

    "Care is required when using or testing it" sounds a little ominously ambiguous.
    You know, like those old used car dealership ads: "This one won't last!"

    ahem
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • Msabot1Msabot1 Posts: 2,048
    Polkaguy58 wrote: »
    jdjohn wrote: »
    Side system I've put together from gear in my dad's garage. Check it out...dual Duals! Top one is a 1228, bottom one is a 1215S. That's a Rotel RX-602 receiver; it has two phono inputs, so I just had to try playing two-at-once and toggle 1&2. Realistic Optimus T-100 floorstanders with JBL 2500 bookies on top. The tweeters in the Realistics aren't that great, but the little JBLs fill-out the top end nicely. I'm going to sell this to a long-time friend at work...but with only one of the turntables.
    bvmx4tgccigo.jpg

    I wish I had those T-100's.
    I once took a 50 dollar pair of those, braced the cabs, replaced the fiberglass packing with cotton batting (an old sleeping bag donor) added a high end cap at 3500 Hz. and replaced the stock tweeter with a KEF silk dome.
    These speakers run twin 16 Ohm woofers wide open, with just a cap and Lpad on the tweeter, but after my mods, I swear, they were the best speakers that I'd ever had.
    Like an idiot, I sold them off.
    They cost 100 bucks to make and I wish I still had them.

    Nice looking vintage gear...Top table is definately NOT a 1229 though...might be a 1218?? Those 1229's are full size tables....and built to last too..bought mine in 73 and except for some minor maintenance,it's still going strong...
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 17,350
    Does this help any?

    24396250338_1c08eff28f_b.jpgLRE 1973 Dual tts (1) by Mark Hardy, on Flickr

    Sorry I can't do any better. I am not a Dual guy -- there are a couple-three down in the basement, but they just don't do it for me.

    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • sucks2bemesucks2beme Posts: 4,796
    aprazer402 wrote: »
    Here's one you don't see everyday. No affil.
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    I lusted after that amp for years. The 16a was the preferred version.
    No real issues, other than the A version sounded a bit better.
    Meters are nice, but watching the LEDs light up was a real treat for me.
    "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 17,350
    edited November 2017
    sucks2beme wrote: »
    aprazer402 wrote: »
    Here's one you don't see everyday. No affil.
    d3qiy9s4eok2.jpg

    I lusted after that amp for years. The 16a was the preferred version.
    No real issues, other than the A version sounded a bit better.
    Meters are nice, but watching the LEDs light up was a real treat for me.

    yeah, the 16A -- that's what I was quasi-remembering :/

    Speaking of the jiggly LED power display -- which was exceedingly high-tech for its time... I do have an example of its (very) little brother here :)

    10426100496_851b19fe71_b.jpghkA402 by Mark Hardy, on Flickr

    Sorry the lights aren't actually jiggling in the photo :/
    The amplifier does work (it's a pretty nice piece of hardware,in fact) -- and it doesn't look as smeary IRL as it does in this (flash) photo. It's a very handsome piece of hardware (as was most of the h/k stuff of that era) -- although the 'detailing' around the LED power display is a little contrived looking.

    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • WardswebWardsweb Posts: 777
    My JBL C50 speakers with custom JBL 2397 horns and JBL L100's.

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    Living room:Maplenoll turntable, Clearaudio Champion II turntable, Sonic Euphoria pre, Lounge phono pre, Shanling CD-T1500 sacd, Auralic Atair DAC/server, PS Audio Quintessence power, ASL AQ1006 845 DT MKII mono block amplifers, DIY Altec/JBL speakers
    Sun room: Roksan Radius 5 turntable, DIY Class A 6H30 linestage, DIY "ST70" amp, DIY 2A3 amp, Diva Classic Audio BlueSky 2A3, Antque Sound Labs Wave 8 mono blocks, Krell CDP, JBL C50 Olympus speakers with custom Smith horns, Klipsch Cornwall III
    Den: Onkyo TX-NR929 receiver, Oppo BDP-103 player, Panamax M5400-PM power, SST Ampzilla 2000 mono blocks, Behringer EP 4000 sub amp, Electrovoice DX-38 active, Klipsch Jubilee speakers, Martin Logan Cinema center, JBL SAT2 surrounds, Danley DTS-10 sub
  • ConradiclesConradicles Posts: 5,629
    Very nice JBL gear!
  • ConradiclesConradicles Posts: 5,629
    Here are a few vintage receivers I have been eyeing not too far from me to go with the newly rebuilt Tandberg TL5010 speakers:

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  • ConradiclesConradicles Posts: 5,629
    Drool:

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 17,350
    As seen elsewhere -- here's a unique opportunity at, arguably, a not-insane price. The ethical question would be: build or hold 'as-is' :)

    https://westernmass.craigslist.org/ele/d/vintage-heathkit-aa-151-new/6375686202.html

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    disclaimer: Not mine, no affiliation :/
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • soundfreak1soundfreak1 Posts: 2,821
    If your speaking of value? To a collector unbuilt would be more valuable as I'm sure there is some built for sale somewhere at sometime but unbuilt in box probably the only one!
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 17,350
    edited November 2017
    Plenty of old ones floating around; but, yes, of course -- unbuilt kits have a certain cachet.
    But it would be awfully tempting to build & enjoy it. It would need some rehab (those NOS electrolytics are probably as dried out as used ones would be in 2017!) but it was a better than average integrated amplifier and would be fun to have as a brand new model.

    15154763267_e3c6baf614_h.jpgHeathkittuners1964 2 by Mark Hardy, on Flickr
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 17,350
    Here are a few vintage receivers I have been eyeing not too far from me to go with the newly rebuilt Tandberg TL5010 speakers:

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    1caw428ozvn2.jpg

    isj19m23jqzv.jpg



    Couldn't go wrong with either the Sony and the Marantz. Dunno about the Sanyo.
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 17,350
    I find myself dinking around with "helper tweeters" again. Can't call 'em "supertweeters", 'cause they probably don't do much beyond 18kHz... but, still.

    37585603364_3d78468401_h.jpgDSC_9766 (2) by Mark Hardy, on Flickr
    38242395276_c43fac6896_h.jpgDSC_9764 (2) by Mark Hardy, on Flickr
    38242355396_12410e2487_h.jpgDSC_9771 (2) by Mark Hardy, on Flickr


    There's a method to my madness, although it's beyond the scope of this thread.
    I am doing this for a friend, you see. Not for myself. Honest!

    :)

    37585602564_808cbbef13_h.jpgDSC_9773 (3) by Mark Hardy, on Flickr
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • OleBootOleBoot Posts: 259
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    I find myself dinking around with "helper tweeters" again. Can't call 'em "supertweeters", 'cause they probably don't do much beyond 18kHz... but, still.

    37585603364_3d78468401_h.jpgDSC_9766 (2) by Mark Hardy, on Flickr
    38242395276_c43fac6896_h.jpgDSC_9764 (2) by Mark Hardy, on Flickr
    38242355396_12410e2487_h.jpgDSC_9771 (2) by Mark Hardy, on Flickr


    There's a method to my madness, although it's beyond the scope of this thread.
    I am doing this for a friend, you see. Not for myself. Honest!

    :)

    37585602564_808cbbef13_h.jpgDSC_9773 (3) by Mark Hardy, on Flickr

    I've just started my 3rd glass of wine, so I thought I'd bore the socks off you with my story of augmented tweeters. Well, maybe augmented tweeters/upper midrange. Sometime in the early 80's in London, I was brushing my mullet and wondering how to improve a pair of super cheap Yank KLH 317 speakers that the British HiFI press had raved about saying the're built bad but sound good. Actually they did sound good - I was driving them with a Cambridge (Before they became Cambridge Audio) P40 amp, designed by Stan Curtis of Quad fame (Still got it here in the closet - needs 120v PS conversion). We were always into lower power integrateds back then, as we were with cars that went round corners but without V8s.

    Through the less mainstream press I became aware of a guy in Edgware (on the outskirts of London) called Alex Shackman that was making electrostatic panels that could be added to any speaker to replace tweeters. I went to see him, and like most inventors, he was absolutely bonkers and just kept going on about reducing sibilance. So I bought a pair of them anyway. Got them home, connected them, and these were my first real taste of magic. Old age obscures why i got rid of them or when, but although they were not superfi, I wonder why I did.
    I started out with nothing and have most of it left.
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