CDP Shootout - Jolida JD100 vs Rotel RCD-1072
Jetmaker737
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Jolida JD100 versus Rotel RCD-1072
I recently got an awesome deal on a beautiful black Rotel RCD-1072 from a fellow polkie. I put it up against my Jolida JD100. These are two players that are always mentioned on the short lists bang for the buck CDPs. But comparos are hard to find. A couple folks asked that I post the results of my shootout, so here goes. Id intended to spend a few weeks listening to both before making any decisions about them but after two extended critical listening sessions and further casual listening the differences are strikingly apparent. Disclaimer: I dont claim any expertise as a reviewer.
I evaluated the players as follows:
Warmed up both players by playing a full length CD in each.
Played a track or portion of track in one player, swapped disk into other player to repeat the track/section, then proceeded through the track and swapped back. Often I repeated the same track or section more than once in each player.
Varied the volume levels up/down to ensure no volume bias, especially in areas of critical difference
Took notes throughout to record impressions real-time. I used the book The complete guide to high end audio by Robert Harley as my guide to critical listening (thank you DK for recommending this book).
Equipment: Audioquest Sidewinder ICs for both players, ModWright SWL 9.0SE tube preamp, Aragon 8008 MkII SS amplifier, Polk LSi-15 speakers. The JD100 is equipped with Shuguang Psvane 12AX7 tubes ($80).
Audiogon Blue Book values as or November 2010: Jolida JD100 $570, Rotel RCD-1072 - $430
Albums: Parades Foreign Tapes, Gorillaz Plastic Beach, Kings of Leon Come Around Sundown
Results:
Tonal Balance: The Rotel is a tad brighter than the Jolida. But I dont perceive the Jolida to be rolled off at all. I noted a couple of times that the upper-mid to treble region on the Rotel was a bit hard or boxy compared to the Jolida. This was fairly subtle and may just be the tubed versus non-tubed player situation. The midrange on both players seemed about equal tonally. In fact they are both pretty damn good in the mids very nice to listen to. In the bass spectrum the Jolida beat the Rotel hands down. The Jolida had noticeably better depth and extension. I perceived the Jolida bass as visceral. The bass images were three dimensional, clear and deep. You felt them and could perceive them moving in space. The Rotel bass was subdued in comparison, the images more two dimensional.
The soundstage width of the players was about equal, extending speaker to speaker (my speakers are about 12 feet apart, my listening position about 9 feet from each. Speakers are slightly toed in.). The depth of the Rotel staging is fairly flat while the Jolida has quite a bit more perceived depth. The Rotel seems to focus on vocals. The vocalist image is centered and solid and stands forward a bit, in other words its very nice. The remaining instruments sit back and all occupy the same somewhat flat layer. The Jolida has equivalent vocal position in the soundstage as the Rotel but provides more layering of the other instruments giving a sense of deeper fwd-aft soundstage.
In terms of imaging and detail the the Jolida literally kicks butt on the Rotel. The Jolida images exist in dynamic 3 dimensional space. They have air, bloom, and detail. You can focus on them and pick out the nuances of the timbre of the instruments quite clearly. On the Rotel you couldnt hear the same detail except perhaps in whatever was front and center. A couple of times in my notes I wrote lack of timbre and lack of detail on the Rotel. The Jolida gives bells and acoustic guitar plucks (and similar sounds like snares) a nice ring and decay that the Rotel doesnt quite match. Id describe the Rotel soundstage as slightly veiled. As I described earlier the vocals (or center-front instrument) stand out nicely. Most everything else exists slightly behind that and is veiled in comparison to the Jolida. A couple of times I listened to a track on the Rotel and didnt really notice that an instrument was present until I heard it on the Jolida and then went back to the Rotel. Then I could find it. Maybe another way to describe the situation is that the Jolida is more transparent. More of the instruments are represented by their own image, and you see deeper into the soundstage, whereas in the Rotel some of the images were combined with others, presented flatter, and sometimes hard to discern. In my listening notes I recorded several times that the accompanying instruments were muted and flat on the Rotel.
The images from the Jolida are bigger than the Rotel. This isnt necessarily an advantage. There were a couple of times that the soundstage of the Rotel seemed cleaner than the Jolida due to the Jolida images overlapping. Also, the Jolida could be described as being forward in comparison. I prefer a more laid back presentation, but theres always trade-offs, arent there?
Summary
In my system the Jolida JD100 is a more musical and engaging player than the Rotel RCD-1072. The Jolida provides a more three dimensional, transparent, and visceral musical experience.
As always YMMV. Synergy is a key issue and many folks love their Rotel players. I dont want to leave the impression that Im dissing on it. This is strictly a relative comparison. As Ive learned here on CP you need to lay your ears on gear to really know whatll be best for your system. Im glad I had the opportunity to try this player. I highly recommend that folks try multiple players in their system. You may not know what youre missing.
Jet :cool:
I recently got an awesome deal on a beautiful black Rotel RCD-1072 from a fellow polkie. I put it up against my Jolida JD100. These are two players that are always mentioned on the short lists bang for the buck CDPs. But comparos are hard to find. A couple folks asked that I post the results of my shootout, so here goes. Id intended to spend a few weeks listening to both before making any decisions about them but after two extended critical listening sessions and further casual listening the differences are strikingly apparent. Disclaimer: I dont claim any expertise as a reviewer.
I evaluated the players as follows:
Warmed up both players by playing a full length CD in each.
Played a track or portion of track in one player, swapped disk into other player to repeat the track/section, then proceeded through the track and swapped back. Often I repeated the same track or section more than once in each player.
Varied the volume levels up/down to ensure no volume bias, especially in areas of critical difference
Took notes throughout to record impressions real-time. I used the book The complete guide to high end audio by Robert Harley as my guide to critical listening (thank you DK for recommending this book).
Equipment: Audioquest Sidewinder ICs for both players, ModWright SWL 9.0SE tube preamp, Aragon 8008 MkII SS amplifier, Polk LSi-15 speakers. The JD100 is equipped with Shuguang Psvane 12AX7 tubes ($80).
Audiogon Blue Book values as or November 2010: Jolida JD100 $570, Rotel RCD-1072 - $430
Albums: Parades Foreign Tapes, Gorillaz Plastic Beach, Kings of Leon Come Around Sundown
Results:
Tonal Balance: The Rotel is a tad brighter than the Jolida. But I dont perceive the Jolida to be rolled off at all. I noted a couple of times that the upper-mid to treble region on the Rotel was a bit hard or boxy compared to the Jolida. This was fairly subtle and may just be the tubed versus non-tubed player situation. The midrange on both players seemed about equal tonally. In fact they are both pretty damn good in the mids very nice to listen to. In the bass spectrum the Jolida beat the Rotel hands down. The Jolida had noticeably better depth and extension. I perceived the Jolida bass as visceral. The bass images were three dimensional, clear and deep. You felt them and could perceive them moving in space. The Rotel bass was subdued in comparison, the images more two dimensional.
The soundstage width of the players was about equal, extending speaker to speaker (my speakers are about 12 feet apart, my listening position about 9 feet from each. Speakers are slightly toed in.). The depth of the Rotel staging is fairly flat while the Jolida has quite a bit more perceived depth. The Rotel seems to focus on vocals. The vocalist image is centered and solid and stands forward a bit, in other words its very nice. The remaining instruments sit back and all occupy the same somewhat flat layer. The Jolida has equivalent vocal position in the soundstage as the Rotel but provides more layering of the other instruments giving a sense of deeper fwd-aft soundstage.
In terms of imaging and detail the the Jolida literally kicks butt on the Rotel. The Jolida images exist in dynamic 3 dimensional space. They have air, bloom, and detail. You can focus on them and pick out the nuances of the timbre of the instruments quite clearly. On the Rotel you couldnt hear the same detail except perhaps in whatever was front and center. A couple of times in my notes I wrote lack of timbre and lack of detail on the Rotel. The Jolida gives bells and acoustic guitar plucks (and similar sounds like snares) a nice ring and decay that the Rotel doesnt quite match. Id describe the Rotel soundstage as slightly veiled. As I described earlier the vocals (or center-front instrument) stand out nicely. Most everything else exists slightly behind that and is veiled in comparison to the Jolida. A couple of times I listened to a track on the Rotel and didnt really notice that an instrument was present until I heard it on the Jolida and then went back to the Rotel. Then I could find it. Maybe another way to describe the situation is that the Jolida is more transparent. More of the instruments are represented by their own image, and you see deeper into the soundstage, whereas in the Rotel some of the images were combined with others, presented flatter, and sometimes hard to discern. In my listening notes I recorded several times that the accompanying instruments were muted and flat on the Rotel.
The images from the Jolida are bigger than the Rotel. This isnt necessarily an advantage. There were a couple of times that the soundstage of the Rotel seemed cleaner than the Jolida due to the Jolida images overlapping. Also, the Jolida could be described as being forward in comparison. I prefer a more laid back presentation, but theres always trade-offs, arent there?
Summary
In my system the Jolida JD100 is a more musical and engaging player than the Rotel RCD-1072. The Jolida provides a more three dimensional, transparent, and visceral musical experience.
As always YMMV. Synergy is a key issue and many folks love their Rotel players. I dont want to leave the impression that Im dissing on it. This is strictly a relative comparison. As Ive learned here on CP you need to lay your ears on gear to really know whatll be best for your system. Im glad I had the opportunity to try this player. I highly recommend that folks try multiple players in their system. You may not know what youre missing.
Jet :cool:
SystemLuxman L-590AXII Integrated Amplifier|KEF Reference 1 Loudspeakers|PS Audio Directream Jr|Sansui TU-9900 Tuner|TEAC A-6100 RtR|REL T/9X SE Sub
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Well done. Great shoot-out review.
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Nice Job!! Two players I would like to try.
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great review jet...... top drawer stuff straight out of a magazine
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Good review...!
If you liked that Jolida JD100 you'll love the NEW version. The Jolida Music Van (I had chance to hear that at the plant in China...very nice; punches the sound up a notch over the 100.
I've never heard the Rotel...reviews are certainly an aid there!
Thanks...
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Thanks guys! If nothing else I hope my review convinces people that it's worthwhile to swap gear occasionally. I really expected a closer horse race between these two players. But then again it could be said that the Jolida is in a slightly different price category especially when you consider the cost of the upgraded tubes.SystemLuxman L-590AXII Integrated Amplifier|KEF Reference 1 Loudspeakers|PS Audio Directream Jr|Sansui TU-9900 Tuner|TEAC A-6100 RtR|REL T/9X SE Sub
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here is some good reading
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45292&highlight=top+fuel+jolida+modJC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut) -
george daniel wrote: »here is some good reading
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45292&highlight=top+fuel+jolida+mod
That was sweet! I wonder if F1 is still running that unit? I've been thinking of sending my JD100 to Underwood or someplace. My experience with having my tuner modded is that it can make a huge difference.SystemLuxman L-590AXII Integrated Amplifier|KEF Reference 1 Loudspeakers|PS Audio Directream Jr|Sansui TU-9900 Tuner|TEAC A-6100 RtR|REL T/9X SE Sub -
yes he does.
Nice write up thanks for charachterizing the overall tonal quality, presence and soundstage.
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Nice write-up JetMaker. I have never auditioned a Jolida before but you now have picqued my interest. The Psvane tubes you are using are getting great reviews - may consider the new Gold Lion 12AX7 for a different flavor if you choose. Will the Rotel go back on the market?[
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Will the Rotel go back on the market?
Possibly. I'm toying with the idea of putting together another rig. So we'll see
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I'm running the Ei Elite gold pins in my Jolida 100 CDP and they sound great. Fortunately I stashed away a few before they got hard and expensive to find. If the reports on the Gold Lion 6922 and 12ax7's are accurate those should be great tubes for the Jolida CDP.
I also have a Rotel RCD-1072 in another system, and when using a Rogue 66 Magnum pre-amp the differences between the two are narrowed, but the Jolida is definetely the better CDP. Personally, I like the tubed output on the Jolida CDP better than using it with a PS Audio DLIII DAC.DKG999
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Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
